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IchiBan
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Message 162 of 210 (549405)
03-06-2010 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
09-13-2004 10:04 PM


There is no need to be a creationist to see of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately evolution is a religion masquerading as a science discipline

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IchiBan
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Message 168 of 210 (549677)
03-09-2010 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by anglagard
03-06-2010 10:34 PM


Re: Some Evidently Still Refuse to Get It
My understanding of science and religion is quite grounded, thank you.
I dont know about the some people you refer to. But there are many well known evolutionists and ex-evolutionists who's observations that evolution is a religion which masquerades as a science discipline parallels my own.

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IchiBan
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Message 169 of 210 (549678)
03-09-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by lyx2no
03-06-2010 10:36 PM


True enough, any of a dozen brands of self-delusional personality will suffice.
Without seeing your post history I'm gong to make a guess thats about as strong as your rebuttals get, or not very.

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IchiBan
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Message 170 of 210 (549681)
03-09-2010 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Coyote
03-06-2010 11:02 PM


Re: The old "evolution is a religion" nonsense again
Isn't it odd that the only folks who claim science is a religion are fundamentalist Christians?
Why dont you try responding to what I actually said rather than tearing down your strawman. Oh thats right, maybe you cant.
There is no need to be a creationist (or a fundamental Christian) to see of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately evolution is a religion that masquerades as a science discipline .

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IchiBan
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Message 175 of 210 (549690)
03-09-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Coyote
03-09-2010 8:54 PM


You make my point; the only folks who claim that science is a religion are fundamentalists.
Yeh, keep making that claim. You have yet to back it up with anything, and given your pattern that aint never going to happen.
Now I dont know about you and your claimed credentials because those are never backed up with any bonafides either. So in lew of that I will go to just a few quotes of well known & established evolutionists on the issue of evolutionism being an ideology, a world view, and yes a religion.
Darwinian atheist Michael Ruse has even acknowledged that evolution is their religion!
Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religiona full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
Sir Arthur Keith, a famous British evolutionary anthropologist and anatomist.
"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." In fact, it seems that the Theory of Evolution is contrary to established science.
George Wald, prominent Evolutionist (a Harvard University biochemist and Nobel Laureate)
"When it comes to the Origin of Life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!"

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IchiBan
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Message 176 of 210 (549691)
03-09-2010 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Coyote
03-06-2010 11:02 PM


Re: The old "evolution is a religion" nonsense again
Isn't it odd that the only folks who claim science is a religion are fundamentalist Christians
Actually what I find odd is that so many evolutionists are on a zealous crusade against any notion of a creator (except the ones made in their own image) .And for this cause they hijack science for their own ideological ends. In fact, you will fit this description quite aptly.

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IchiBan
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Message 180 of 210 (549695)
03-09-2010 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Coyote
03-09-2010 10:22 PM


No, your real objection is that I don't kowtow to your particular version of religion.
What are you psychic now? No just more strawmen, thats all you got there babe.
The Dark Ages are over. You can't even send the Inquisition after me any longer, and burning at the stake
Thats laughable and you are a scientist with a PHD? But dont stop there with your strawmen , lets see just how far you will go with your ever so weak and goofy analogies.

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IchiBan
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Message 183 of 210 (549712)
03-10-2010 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Dr Adequate
03-09-2010 10:37 PM


And I am supposed to take your word over what is published over several different sources with notes?
If you are going to sling around a lpt of wild accusations, how about backing them up with independent & verifiable sources. Err uh, places like talkorigins wont qualify.
Dr, You and your halfwitted diatribes, are not adequate.

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IchiBan
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Message 185 of 210 (549714)
03-10-2010 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Dr Adequate
03-09-2010 11:33 PM


You dont read to well do you. What he said was that I could not send the Inquisition yada yada yada after him. And whre he dredged that up from I have no idea, except maybe in his own head.
Pretty sloppy there ol' chap, of both him and you. And I am supposed to take your word about what??
Like I said before, neither creationism nor christianity are required to see all of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately evolutionism is a religion that masquerades as a science discipline .

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IchiBan
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Joined: 07-07-2008


Message 186 of 210 (549716)
03-10-2010 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Meldinoor
03-10-2010 1:55 AM


Re: The old "evolution is a religion" nonsense again
No I would not agree that your your one vote invalidates that statement I made about so many evolutionists. My point however is that
neither creationism nor christianity are required to see all of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately evolutionism is a religion that masquerades as a science discipline .

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IchiBan
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Message 190 of 210 (549733)
03-10-2010 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by Peepul
03-10-2010 6:17 AM


Well then your experience as for all of us, is limited.
Neither creationism nor christianity are required to see all of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. And yes, ultimately evolutionism is a religion that masquerades as a science discipline .

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IchiBan
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Message 197 of 210 (549843)
03-11-2010 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Dr Adequate
03-10-2010 10:42 PM


Its pretty simple actually, You used the word lies and I asked you to back it up, you never did. Instead you spin and obfuscate. Typical, so predictable. If you and coyote are some of the heavyweights around here, well you bore me, and it's a fairly lame site then. Apparently though you need your echo chamber, and you have it here.
In fact I think I'll propose a new topic for a name to this forum that more accurately reflects it tenor. I'll suggest it be changed to "Evolutionist echo chamber" with a sub title of "No Dissent allowed"

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IchiBan
Member (Idle past 4965 days)
Posts: 88
Joined: 07-07-2008


Message 200 of 210 (549853)
03-11-2010 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Rahvin
03-11-2010 3:28 AM


Thanks for your insight and input on this. However I already put my opinion in the proposed new topics area so I will have to take whatever flaming or mod action that comes out of that.

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