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Taq
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Message 167 of 210 (549627)
03-09-2010 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Coyote
03-06-2010 11:02 PM


Re: The old "evolution is a religion" nonsense again
Isn't it odd that the only folks who claim science is a religion are fundamentalist Christians?
Even more, what are they really trying to say with that argument? That religion is something trivial that should be ignored? That religion is dangerous? That religious based beliefs are wrong? For the creationist, religious faith is all they have. Supposedly, it is the most important thing in their life. So why are they so willing to trivialize and defame the most important thing in their life?
When creationists use the "evolution is a religion" canard it really is a Kamikaze type argument. They blow up themselves in the process, but they really don't seem to mind as long as the "enemy" is killed in the process. It's as if they see the creationist ship sinking so they want to take as many with them as they can.

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Message 171 of 210 (549682)
03-09-2010 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by IchiBan
03-09-2010 8:11 PM


Re: Some Evidently Still Refuse to Get It
My understanding of science and religion is quite grounded, thank you.
I dont know about the some people you refer to. But there are many well known evolutionists and ex-evolutionists who's observations that evolution is a religion which masquerades as a science discipline parallels my own.
Whether or not that is true, I am still interested in where you are going with this. What do you hope to do by calling evolution a religion? Do you consider "religion" to be a term of derision? Do you think that calling something a religion makes it trivial at best, and something evil at worst? What are you hoping to accomplish by calling evolution a religion?

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Message 172 of 210 (549683)
03-09-2010 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by IchiBan
03-09-2010 8:26 PM


Re: The old "evolution is a religion" nonsense again
Why dont you try responding to what I actually said rather than tearing down your strawman. Oh thats right, maybe you cant.
Why do we have to address claims backed by zero evidence? Do we have to disprove that the sky is falling just because some nut on the corner is holding a sign that says the sky is falling? When you marshal some evidence to back your claims then we will address those claims.

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Message 192 of 210 (549745)
03-10-2010 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by IchiBan
03-10-2010 1:47 AM


If you are going to sling around a lpt of wild accusations, how about backing them up with independent & verifiable sources.
The irony is strong in this one.
Where are your references? Where is the context for those quotes?
Where are you going with this line of reasoning? Why is it so important for you to describe evolution as a religion? What is your argument here?
Also, you claim it is very easy to see the flaws in evolution and yet you can't seem to describe any of them. It would appear that it is very hard to find these flaws, otherwise you would have done it already.

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Message 203 of 210 (549902)
03-11-2010 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by IchiBan
03-11-2010 3:09 AM


Its pretty simple actually, You used the word lies and I asked you to back it up, you never did.
The proof is your inability to cite any viable reference for these quotes. You claim that these people made these statements, so where is your proof?
Instead you spin and obfuscate. Typical, so predictable.
So says the guy who replaces evidence with a persecution complex.

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Message 210 of 210 (549930)
03-11-2010 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Peepul
03-11-2010 12:29 PM


Re: On quotes and their validity
That's true, but it's a matter of degree. In the end, it comes down to what it takes to convince ourselves that something is true.
Any argument must pass the initial smell test. If you can show that a leader/expert in a field has come to the same conclusions as you have then it passes the initial smell test. It's a way of saying, "See!!! I'm not crazy!!". An appeal to authority is a way of enticing interest in your argument, and it is also a way of ensuring others that you aren't nucking futs.
For example, let's say you had never heard of quantum mechanics. I tell you that light can act as both a wave and particle, but not both at the same time. You find such an idea to be laughable. I then tell you that thousands of physicists also believe that light can act as both a particle and a wave. Now it isn't so laughable, and it might even be true. You will still want to see the evidence, and rightly so, but you are more likely to take the idea seriously now then you were before.

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