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Quetzal
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Message 151 of 210 (169745)
12-18-2004 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Maestro232
12-17-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Stubborn?
"Simplistic" is right. Tell me something, what part of "I am unwilling to accept 'general' or 'abbreviated' statements in defense of your position." didn't you understand? My only conclusion is that you are uninterested in actually supporting your claims. Once you admit that, then I will be quite happy to leave you in peace.

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jar
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Message 152 of 210 (169751)
12-18-2004 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Maestro232
12-17-2004 5:09 PM


Re: Your theory
Nosy,

Someone has got to step into this place every now and again and try to wake you guys up. God says you are without excuse. He uses sinful losers like me to sufficiently remind you that He is out their calling for you to recognize His omnipotence.

Good GOD. What an ass! No wonder you are only a creationist.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Maestro232
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Message 153 of 210 (170047)
12-20-2004 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Thugpreacha
12-17-2004 7:01 PM


Re: Stubborn?
quote:
But if no man comes to God unless the Spirit draws them, no amount of logic will ever convince a scientist to refute their belief in logic. Theologians should stay away from science. It is like parents going to a rap concert and acting cool. To convince anyone in this forum that there is a Creator, you must attempt to get to know them, get along with them, and trust that the Spirit will draw them towards Him. No amount of logic will ever supercede the established science of our current time.(Unless it is better science, not theological stew.)

Yes, I think that is true. And, we have:

1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

I think an appeal to spiritual things are discerned by the spirit. So, if the Spirit draws someone, they will discern a spiritual message. i.e., scientists where are being drawn by the Spirit do not need scientific arguments, they will be drawn with spiritual arguments if God is calling them to Him.

But, just the same, I should apologize to everyone for being a jerk. I can certainly do a better job of being Christlike.


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mikehager
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Message 154 of 210 (170256)
12-20-2004 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Maestro232
12-17-2004 5:09 PM


Re: Your theory
You arrogant, presumptuous little ass. I am stunned yet again at the sad combination of ignorance and unwarranted self assurance that religion can impart to some of the weak minded. I know this is a few days late, but I cannot let this pass.

How dare you, you self important zealot, presume to talk to people like that? No one needs your guidance. No one wants it. If you are the example we should be following, well, I for one don't want to go through life thinking myself wise when I am ignorant, pious when I am but wasting my time, and an example when I am laughable.

Stay in your tiny, worthless, demon haunted world (to steal a phrase). Don't bother trying to stick your nose out to drag me, for one, in there with you.


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SoulSlay
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Message 155 of 210 (172943)
01-02-2005 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by sidelined
12-18-2004 10:02 AM


Re: Your theory
Tell you what Maestro.You bring god to the playing field in person and I will kick his ass...How about asking him to walk the walk?

He DID. Remember that Jesus guy? I hear he did pretty crazy stuff. You know, like dieing for our sake. I'll bet you'd enjoy kicking the ass of the person who loves you the most in the entire universe. The prophets talked the talk, Jesus walked the walked and suffered because of it. You should be a bit more thankful.

But I bet you will find he doesn't answer that prayer eh? Omnipotent but unable is pretty lame

Ya, 'cause the omnipotent god HAS to do what YOU tell him to...


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Message 156 of 210 (541503)
01-03-2010 10:53 PM


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Flyer75
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Message 157 of 210 (547032)
02-15-2010 9:49 PM


New here...first post.

I'm a creationist based on faith supported by Biblical evidence.

I've just started doing my own "digging" and research on the topic of a young earth and creationism to support my beliefs. I have no clue where this journey will take me but I feel I've been pulled into having to be able to support what I believe....not just to say it.

I look forward to reading and participating when I can in the topics (I've looked around and to say the least, most here, from both sides of the debate, would pound me into the ground at this point).


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Granny Magda
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Message 158 of 210 (547046)
02-15-2010 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Flyer75
02-15-2010 9:49 PM


Welcome!
Hi Flyer75 and welcome to Evc Forum!

I'm sure you will find a great deal of stimulating discussion here.

I've just started doing my own "digging" and research on the topic of a young earth and creationism to support my beliefs. I have no clue where this journey will take me but I feel I've been pulled into having to be able to support what I believe....not just to say it.

I applaud such an attitude. A sense of empiricism like that is a good thing to have, although I have to say, you might find that the more you dig, the harder it is to maintain certain beliefs.

I look forward to reading and participating when I can in the topics (I've looked around and to say the least, most here, from both sides of the debate, would pound me into the ground at this point).

It's not about pounding on anyone. I try to only get confrontational with those who display arrogance in inverse proportion to their knowledge of the subject being discussed.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of folks here are eager to chew over the topic of creationism with you.

Mutate and Survive


"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Meldinoor
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Message 159 of 210 (547072)
02-16-2010 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Flyer75
02-15-2010 9:49 PM


Welcome to EvC Forum, Flyer75.

I am pleased to say that you've picked the right forum to learn about the evolution vs creation debate. I myself started out as you are now, a young earth creationist based on the Bible, and what I had been taught as a kid. Then I started looking into the evidence and the arguments of both sides. This led me to being an Old Earth Creationist, then a Theistic Evolutionist, and finally, an evolutionist who also happens to be a Christian. I still think about the subject often, and enjoy discussing and learning the arguments of both sides. In a way, I feel liberated by the fact that I have objectively considered all sides of the argument. It doesn't necessarily make me right, but being free to follow the evidence wherever it leads is more likely to get me there.

Don't be put off by the bluntness of some of our members. It takes all kinds, you know. Usually, if you're a civil debater, people here will treat you with respect. Remember, it's not about winning a debate or promoting one's belief, it's about learning.

Respectfully,

-Meldinoor


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Flyer75
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Message 160 of 210 (547079)
02-16-2010 4:03 AM


Thanks
Looking forward to learning here. Looks likes theres all types here...lol. That's a good thing.

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Coragyps
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Message 161 of 210 (547096)
02-16-2010 8:19 AM
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02-16-2010 4:03 AM


Re: Thanks
Hello, Flyer! Welcome to EvC!

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IchiBan
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Message 162 of 210 (549405)
03-06-2010 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
09-13-2004 10:04 PM


There is no need to be a creationist to see of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately evolution is a religion masquerading as a science discipline

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anglagard
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Message 163 of 210 (549409)
03-06-2010 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by IchiBan
03-06-2010 9:12 PM


Some Evidently Still Refuse to Get It
IchiBan writes:

There is no need to be a creationist to see of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief.

Some people believe the evidence speaks for itself and some others do not believe in evaluating evidence, because they absurdly think they already know everything, or worse, they are so intellectually lazy they let others do their thinking for them.

Ultimately evolution is a religion masquerading as a science discipline

If you think that, I doubt you know as much as you think you do about either science or religion.

Normal (as opposed to pseudo) science is about the evidence, and the evidence for descent with modification in lifeforms is utterly overwhelming.

Religion at its best, is about examining various ancient tomes for clues as to how one should behave, and at its worst is about blind unquestioning obedience to a dishonest and corrupt mortal authority figure.

Of course one would have to evaluate such evidence with an open mind to know this fact, a feat difficult at best for the most conscientious, and impossible for those who are not allowed to examine their beliefs, for whatever reason.

Edited by anglagard, : add second instance of word some as to not set up an either/or dichotomy.


The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
— Salman Rushdie

This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen


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lyx2no
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Message 164 of 210 (549410)
03-06-2010 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by IchiBan
03-06-2010 9:12 PM


There is no need to be a creationist to see of the flaws in evolutionary beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief.

True enough, any of a dozen brands of self-delusional personality will suffice.


You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.

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hooah212002
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Message 165 of 210 (549411)
03-06-2010 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by IchiBan
03-06-2010 9:12 PM


There is no need to be a creationist to see of the flaws in gravitational beliefs and reject them for what they are, a belief. Ultimately gravity is a religion masquerading as a science discipline.

Fixed that for ye.


"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan

"On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair


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