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Message 31 of 32 (73031)
12-15-2003 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by gene90
12-15-2003 3:37 PM


This is quite odd. Gene's message 27, was a reply to my (minnemooseus) message 27, is credited as a reply to Gene's message 27, and apparently overwrote my message 27.
I'm going to close this topic as being damaged. I will give 10 minutes to (hopefully) catch any messages in progress.
When I close this topic, I will start "Saddam Captured? Part 2
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Message 32 of 32 (73037)
12-15-2003 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by gene90
12-15-2003 2:01 PM


I just figured I'd clarify some of your confusion about issues related to the Left, and issues related to Clinton.
quote:
True, it seems odd that human rights violations were adequate to justify the Clinton/UN war in Kosovo but not the Iraq war and I feel that there is a double standard at work.
Clinton was hardly liberal; he drove many of the more liberal democrats batty. He signed the federal DOMA, he continued economic and trade policies that help the wealthy, he was pro war in several cases (not as much as Bush, but still...), etc. He also bombed Iraq regularly (don't forget about the No-Fly zones and Desert Fox) - he just didn't invade. He prefered "containment".
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I also find it odd and inconsistent that the Left which normally pushes for human rights protested the removal of a flagrant human rights abuser
The left also is much more likely to be antiwar. War is one of the worst ways to create A) Peace, B) Democracy, and C) Freedom from oppression. Our track record in military conflicts since the end of WWII is really rather pathetic on this front; I'd have to do the numbers again, but I think our rate of producing democracies works out to somewhere around 5%, and most of the replacement governments have been pretty darn bad. Things like democracy and freedom from oppression, by and large, come from long periods of peacetime.
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