quote:Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky: He does with those who'd like to chat with him. but i guess that's not falsifiable.
Ok. Ask him something for me, just to verify it's him: What's my greatest fear?
David has a very good point, funkie. God's speaking to you isn't unverifiable. All you need to do is have God give you the answers to a few questions. But there is that prohibition against testing God.... wonder why that is?
I guess this is exactly the answer you were expecting but here goes. It's a different kind of communication that takes on all sorts of forms. Mostly a spirit to spirit communication that bypasses the flaws of language. The Holy Spirit in me is God's voice to me, comforting and guiding me. Your greatest fear is something between you and God and unless he thinks it necessary for me to know this then why would he tell me?
I don't pretend to know all about God. I do know that I have seen and felt his hand at work in and around my life. I have had times where I become drunk on the Holy Spirit. That probably sounds ridiculous to you guys but it sure solidifies my relationship to God. As a former addict of all sorts the high that my God can provide is untouchable by any drug or cocktail of drugs I could dream up.
As to the don't test your God I'm not sure why that is. My personality type would like to call down fire from heaven some days. I don't understand all things but God has always provided for me. I have seen his healing power on many occasians and I have seen him provide beyond what was asked for by those in need. He has more than proven himself to me.
I guess I never really answered to anything here, most of my knowledge of God comes from personal experience, and I lack words to adequately express this. My God has delivered me from death unto life, he has soothed my soul, and there is a peace that passes understanding in my heart. This peace in my heart is the greatest to me, it is a peace and an understanding I have never experienced anywhere else but from the throne room. So I don't really think that God speaking to me is verifiable in the sense expected. Maybe if you actually knew me and saw the work that God has done, that may be evidence but with words I cannot describe or verify my communication with God.
I heard something interesting the other day from a missionary who was in Sidon. He said to us preach the gospel always, and when necessary use words. The proof of God's existance and his love is in the actions of those who pour the love of Jesus out onto the sick, starving, homeless and dying. Too often the church is thought of as a building. It is not, it is those of us who make up the body of Christ this is the church. Unfortunately there are too many punch clock Christians who show up Sunday morning spend the hour there punch out and for the rest of the week you wouldn't even know that they are a Christian. A dead limb on the body. Now after saying all this I am feeling pretty stupid about some of the blow-ups and cutting statements I've made. I don't know if this post sheds any light for you, but it certainly has for me.
Some denominations (quite a few really) believe God is still talking.
Why should I ask God something irrelevant like your greatest fear? It's trite anyway--that's what we have "psychic" phone lines for. If you want to talk to God you should fast and pray and study until God can talk to you.
For someone who does not believe in God, you seem to be one that spends quite a bit of time mocking Him. Probably, this is not helping any attempts at communication. You will have to drop this habit and repent in humbleness first. (Humility is more important than faith, in my experience).
I'm not going to try to 'prove' there is a God to you or anyone else. It's not my job to do so. I'm just going to leave that little piece of advice with you.
And for all you (or I) know, God has just spoken through two of his servants.
[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-05-2002]
Thank you. I'm glad because I feel compelled to defend Christianity in general and my faith in particular too often here and it gets uncomfortable. Science is impersonal but religion is not. Plus I think I was too pushy in my last post.
quote:If you want to talk to God you should fast and pray and study until God can talk to you.
Or, for the impatient that are so inclined, there are quite a few psychotropic drugs, most of them illegal, that activate the same centers in the brain. Was it Rimbaud who ate a chunk of hashish the size of a walnut, and talked not just to Jesus, but to all twelve disciples?
quote:Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky: I guess this is exactly the answer you were expecting but here goes.
Yup. Sure is.
quote:Your greatest fear is something between you and God and unless he thinks it necessary for me to know this then why would he tell me?
God could sure clear up a lot of thing very quickly just by filling out a quiz. It doesn't really seem too much to ask.
quote:As to the don't test your God I'm not sure why that is.
... because God would fail the test.
quote:Maybe if you actually knew me and saw the work that God has done, that may be evidence but with words I cannot describe or verify my communication with God.
Maybe if you knew me and knew the work that god hasn't done ...
quote:He said to us preach the gospel always, and when necessary use words. The proof of God's existance and his love is in the actions of those who pour the love of Jesus out onto the sick, starving, homeless and dying.
Can't complain about the practical consequences...
quote:He said to us preach the gospel always, and when necessary use words.
Good quote. He got it from St Francis of Assissi.
I think with that advice, and the quote I posted last week some time from St Augustine, these great voices from the faith's past have some very good advice for today's Christians. And it implies that ICR, AiG, "Christian Answers" and all the rest are barking up the wrong tree.
quote:gene - You sound like an aggressive, angry person. Are you truly happy at all?
I wonder the same about you. If God isn't real, why do you spend so much criticizing him? Why not say nasty, derogative things about Santa Claus, the Boogeyman, and the Toothfairy as well? I think living in peace with an imaginary(?) being is a lot more healthy than waging war with the same.
Coragyps, you are using faulty logic. If somebody on an acid trip claims to have met the president, does that mean that Colin Powell is a junkie? Yeah if you stimulate the right parts of the brain you can replicate spiritual experiences. Doesn't mean the same parts of the brain are not being stimulated by other things, even possibly supernatural influences.