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Author Topic:   Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?
Brian
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Message 9 of 64 (456321)
02-17-2008 8:41 AM


So, let me see.
One part of Jesus was human, which is less than an angel, one part was God, which is higher than an angel, I guess that the HS will be higher than an angel as it is the 'power' of God.
So, the human part of Jesus could die, and the other two parts couldn't. Therefore only part of Jesus died on that cross.
Thus, Jesus was more than human and unable to fully understand His creation.
The crucifixion, what a load of myth.
Christian theology is seriously flawed, from the Alpha to the Omega, it is rife with errors.
How can anyone over the age of 5 take Christianity seriously?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 10 of 64 (456322)
02-17-2008 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phat
02-17-2008 4:55 AM


Re: Trinitarian Math
Just a bit of theological cake to chew on!
You should make that New testament theological cake, as the trinity is not even hinted at in the Old T.

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Brian
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Message 14 of 64 (456452)
02-18-2008 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
02-17-2008 10:23 AM


Re: Is Belief Only For Children?
GOD is fully God. Jesus is fully human and was raised from the dead by God.
How many humans do you know that don't have a human father? Jesus being raised by God is the same as Jesus raising Himself, which makes His 'sacrifice' a walk in the park.
Jesus is only God in the sense that He was begotten and not made.
Shades of polytheism here Phat. If God and Jesus are not the same then they are 2 different gods.
One could think of Jesus as Gods character. God personified His own character in order to relate to us boneheads.
Well God is supposed to know everything so there was no need to become a bonehead like us to know something. Anyway, it was the retard Yahweh who couldnt create a perfect creature, so it's not our fault that God is too thick to create something other than boneheads.
IF God raised him from the dead,
Well a second ago you said that God DID raise Him from the dead, so which is it?
I would think that all of Jesus died on the cross. The human character was dead. The Divine essence is alive.
Someone with divine essence is more than a human. There's no way out of it phat, if Jesus is God incarnate then He was more than human.
It is the hope of belief. It is the way that death is transcended.
If Jesus was God then He could not die, even begotten of God, an eternal being cannot die. The resurrection is a fairytale for babies.
Perhaps. Scholars argue both ways on this one.
It doesn't matter what scholars say, take of your rose tinted glasses and read the thing, it is ridiculous.
Even if the crucifixion were a myth, however, the point of the story behind the myth is that there is a Creator who is the source of eternal life and that our physical death need not end our purpose and destiny, in light of eternity.
Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but it isnt Christianity.
Are you suggesting that anyone over the age of 5 should never have a belief?
Not at all. But belief should have some grounds for taking it seriously. The entire Christian faith is flawed right from the very beginning, it isn't even consistent.
Perhaps you think that Star Wars is a healthier metaphor for aspiring 5 year olds to look up to!
Star Wars is a lot more believable than the NT Phat!
And what makes you think Jesus is a good example to look up to? A god that slaughters innocent babies, a God that endorses rape and slavery, a God that endorses genocide, yeah Jesus is a wonderful role model.
Use the force, Luke! And finish your peas, or Darth Vadar will get you in your sleep!
Or, "let my people go Pharaoh, even though I made it impossible for you to do so, or I will slaughter your innocent children", or "if you win this battle you can have all the virgins in the city to rape as you please". Yahweh is wonderful.
IF Belief is only a viable option for children, perhaps Jesus was right when He said:
Of course He was right. He obviously knew that anyone other than a child cannot take Him seriously, and after He died His followers, in their attempts to make Jesus into something He clearly wasn't, made the cult even more moronic with their corrucptions of the Hebrew Bible.
You'd be better off worshipping Yoda, it doesnt take as big a leap of faith.

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Brian
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Message 20 of 64 (456662)
02-19-2008 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 12:29 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
his unconditional love
Jesus' love isn't unconditional though, if it was we would all go to heaven and live happily ever after. However, we have to accept all sorts of illogical, irrational myths before He will let us in to His club.
than becoming a lesser being just for us?
I think His sacrifice was to clear His conscience. Yahweh is a particularly thick and ignorant god, it took Him a few thousand years to realise just how stupid He had been placing the tree right next to the only humans in the world.
Just like when he slaughtered millions of innocent people during the Flood, then regretted it, He realised just how stupid He was over this sin nonsense and thought up a way to atone for His sins. But just like the original sin and the Flood ideas He had thought up, the sacrifice of himself to himself for something He had done is equally as infantile.
Sorry, but you are worshipping the most retarded god in the celestial pantheon.

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Brian
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Message 30 of 64 (456687)
02-19-2008 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 2:34 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
just cause you get punished does not mean you are not loved so you sinned God can't be with sin thats why he turned from his son Jesus when he had the sins poured apon him ya you didn't accept Christ your still loved like a parent that spanks you they don't not love you they just must punish you for what you did with no punishment whats the point of being good if there were no laws why would I hold back from killing you? he didn't atone for his sins he didn't sin otherwise the atonement would be usless we sinned he atoned for us
Could you post that again using Mr. Full Stop and Mr Comma?
I have real difficulty deciphering your post.

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Brian
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Message 50 of 64 (456870)
02-20-2008 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by I-am-created
02-19-2008 4:28 PM


Re: The Flood?
This sounds like not so innocent people to me, in fact it sounds as if they are...well...evil.
You want to explain how a 2 day old baby can be, in your words, "EVIL"?
Secondly, I'm not sure where you come up with the idea that God regretted wiping out everyone in the Flood. But if you are referring to Genesis 8:21 "When the Lord smelled the sweet odor, he said to himself: 'Never again will I doom the earth because of man, since the desires of man's heart are evil from the start; nor will I ever again strike down all living beings, as I have done.'", that isn't saying that he regretted doing it at all. It merely was making a statement or 'covenant' that he will not destroy all life because of the wickedness of man.
I wasn't referring to Gen 8, it was to gen 6:6
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. and Jehovah repenteth that He hath made man in the earth, and He grieveth Himself -- unto His heart.
He regretted making humans because He now had to kill them all, even the tiny inncent babies that you think are evil.
Think about how dense this god actually is! A god who knows everything would know that His creation was so flawed that one day He would have to wipe them out so would avoid making flawed creations, the entity Yahweh is portrayed as a moron by the Bible authors, they didn't think very many of these kyths through at all.
That's what he did by sending his Son as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
Which is another flawed, infantile tale.
God decides what the price should be for salvation, and what does He do. He requires that He Himself becomes human so that He can be sacrificed to Him to pay a debt that He is owed! Come on, how embarrassing is this?
Why does God not just do the right thing and hold His hands up and say 'Sorry, I messed up guys, you can all have eternal peace with me in Heaven to make up for my bad parenting skills.'
A good parent does not punish a child for the parent's mistake.
Tell me, do you sit your children down next to sharp knives and let them play, do you put a fireguard around the fire, do you allow your children to play with matches, do you allow them to play with bottles of bleach.
Of course you don't. No good parent would do anything to put their children in danger.
If you read about a parent leaving their child alone in their room with a loaded gun you would be disgusted, so why should yahweh be treated any differently?
Take off the blinkers, you can see that the Bible contains some excellent ancient folk tales.
Brian.

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