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Message 1 of 64 (454759)
02-08-2008 4:10 PM


Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?
I have always maintained that Jesus was a great prophet and Rabbi but I did not like the idea that He was some kind of hybrid God/Man. I did not give Him divinity for reasons of scripture that did not quite jive. IE He said the time of the end was at hand and it obviously was not.
Hebrews 2-9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Is this true? Was Jesus lower than angels?
How can He be divine in light of this scripture?
Regards
DL

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Message 4 of 64 (456055)
02-15-2008 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Crooked to what standard
02-14-2008 9:45 PM


You wrote
"I believe that Jesus was 100% human and 100% God."
That's 200%.
This is not possible mathematically or any othe way.
A Jesus/ God hybrid should not be able to die. Take a three day nap maybe but not die.
If Jesus was God then why not fix things then? Why have to return and do what He should have done in the first or second visit?
Where is His competence.
Regards
DL

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Message 6 of 64 (456223)
02-16-2008 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Crooked to what standard
02-15-2008 3:11 PM


You wrote
"there's nothing un-Godly about Him"
Then He cannot die or be a sacrifice can He.
We call a cake 100% cake not 200% cake.
Regards
DL

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Message 12 of 64 (456367)
02-17-2008 1:27 PM
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02-17-2008 4:53 AM


Re: Did we Create God?
Who other than men have ever defined God?
It is hard for Jesus to humble angels if He is below them.
You know I do not believe in angels and demons.
If the Bible is the word then it has to be read as a work of philosophy, not as a book with all kinds of fantastic creatures.
If we are to believe in such then we may as well all be fundamentalists and believe every word of the Bible as truth. Islam tries to do the same.
Let us put away talking snakes and fish that spit out men after three days. They do not belong to reality.
Regards
DL

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Message 15 of 64 (456463)
02-18-2008 8:20 AM
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02-17-2008 10:44 PM


So He was lower but realy wasn't.
OK.
Regards
DL

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Message 17 of 64 (456647)
02-19-2008 12:26 PM
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02-19-2008 11:24 AM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
God becoming human would be like you or I becoming a dog.
To think that God would go slumming is just too stupid for me to contemplate. How would anyone like to be conceived by a dog. Yuck.
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DL

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Message 19 of 64 (456659)
02-19-2008 1:39 PM
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02-19-2008 12:29 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
Is this the same unconditional love that gave us the genocidal flood.
How does me becoming a dog show the dogs that I love them?
As a dog, I can only bark like any other dod. As a Hybrid man/dog, they would not recognize me as more than a dog.
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DL

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Message 39 of 64 (456798)
02-20-2008 8:07 AM
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02-19-2008 2:23 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
They did not kill me.
Regards
DL

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Message 40 of 64 (456799)
02-20-2008 8:15 AM
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02-19-2008 4:28 PM


Re: The Flood?
Did God find wickedness in the hearts of the children and babies as well?
Regards
DL

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Message 46 of 64 (456845)
02-20-2008 11:37 AM
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02-20-2008 10:14 AM


Re: The Flood?
Where in scripture do you read that babies were given mercy and headed for Heaven. God said the whole world was evil.
Regards
DL

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Message 49 of 64 (456863)
02-20-2008 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by TheTruth
02-20-2008 12:38 PM


Re: The Flood?
This is after the flood.
You cannot justify genocide or God killing.
Regards
DL

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Message 52 of 64 (456905)
02-20-2008 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by TheTruth
02-20-2008 4:18 PM


Re: The Flood?
If the point is that God should punish your children for what you do, then it is a wrong headed policy.
If you die in dept, should your creditors go get the maney that your children have? No.
Should you have paid for any debts that your father left?
If you say yes then you are a fool.
Regards
DL

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Message 57 of 64 (456990)
02-21-2008 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Chiroptera
02-20-2008 4:40 PM


Re: The Flood?
Nice dance.
Are you bying into the old ways or were they wrong.
Regards
DL

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Message 58 of 64 (456992)
02-21-2008 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by TheTruth
02-20-2008 6:28 PM


Re: The Flood?
You, like Chiroptera are dancing with the ancients.
Are you saying it is right to place your burden on your children.
We can always go back to slavery if you like the old laws.
Regards
DL

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Message 61 of 64 (457264)
02-22-2008 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by TheTruth
02-21-2008 2:31 PM


Re: The Flood?
The Bible talks more of how to keep slaves and multiple wives and concubines than it does about abolishing such practices. Look it up.
Regards
DL

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