Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?

Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?I have always maintained that Jesus was a great prophet and Rabbi but I did not like the idea that He was some kind of hybrid God/Man. I did not give Him divinity for reasons of scripture that did not quite jive. IE He said the time of the end was at hand and it obviously was not.Hebrews 2-9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.Is this true? Was Jesus lower than angels?
How can He be divine in light of this scripture?Regards
DL

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First off, I don't mean to say that I know everything about God, or even a fraction of what experts know. I'm only stating my opinion, which may or may not be different from those around me.I believe that Jesus was 100% human and 100% God. Jesus before Christmas (which I refer to as 'Michael') was God, or, I guess you could say a third of God, but that gets complicated. Anyway, there is no way Michael could have been below angels, for He created angels.Jesus, when He became human, had the ability to die (as evident in the Bible), while angels do not. So I guess you might be able to say that Jesus was below angels in one, tiny aspect (for death didn't hold onto Him for very long). However, now that He's no longer dead and can't die (not to say He's not human any more), He's totally above angels (because of His 100% Divinity) and yet able to be with us (because of his 100% humanity).So, no, Jesus never was, isn't, and never will be lower than angles.Edited by Ichthus, : Accidental total bold

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SoterJesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

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"I believe that Jesus was 100% human and 100% God."That's 200%.This is not possible mathematically or any othe way.A Jesus/ God hybrid should not be able to die. Take a three day nap maybe but not die.If Jesus was God then why not fix things then? Why have to return and do what He should have done in the first or second visit?Where is His competence.Regards
DL

Jesus is God and man mixed. When I said 'He's 100% human and 100% God', I meant that, well, it's hard to explain.Here:When you're cooking, you can use flour and sugar. Those two ingredients are whole ingredients. There is nothing 'un-floury' or 'un-sugary' about the flour and sugar. However, when you mix the two together, you have a new thing. It is made up of 100% flour and 100% sugar, and yet they can still exist together, mixed into one thing.Jesus is God mixed in with man. He's all human, meaning there is nothing un-humany about Him, and all God meaning there's nothing un-Godly about Him.

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Iesous
Christos
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Theos
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Uios
SoterJesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

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"there's nothing un-Godly about Him"Then He cannot die or be a sacrifice can He.
We call a cake 100% cake not 200% cake.Regards
DL

Again, as I mentioned to you in another post, how can you give God and/or Jesus anything?You are of course free to formulate and define your individual belief, buit IMB, God is regardless of how we define Him. Jesus was foreknown to step out of eternity into time through the virgin birth having been made(assigned) a little lower than the angels in order to complete the scriptural belief that the first shall become last and the last shall become first.By God becoming incarnate and assuming the role of a servant, the entire positional authority chart was in essence turned upside down.It would be similar to the C.E.O. of a major corporation showing up at the plant one day, donning overalls, and cleaning the bathrooms and scrubbing the toilets. It would humble all would-be managerial authority figures present. Some believe that the action of Jesus being made lower than the angels was for the purpose of making a public spectacle of one particular angel who had gotten a bit too big for his britches! (Do angels even have britches? )

Although it is true that 1+1+1=3, it is also true that 1x1x1=1.Just a bit of theological cake to chew on!

So, let me see.One part of Jesus was human, which is less than an angel, one part was God, which is higher than an angel, I guess that the HS will be higher than an angel as it is the 'power' of God.So, the human part of Jesus could die, and the other two parts couldn't. Therefore only part of Jesus died on that cross.Thus, Jesus was more than human and unable to fully understand His creation.The crucifixion, what a load of myth.Christian theology is seriously flawed, from the Alpha to the Omega, it is rife with errors.How can anyone over the age of 5 take Christianity seriously?Brian.

You should make that New testament theological cake, as the trinity is not even hinted at in the Old T.

Actually a lot of unneeded speculation. GOD is fully God. Jesus is fully human and was raised from the dead by God. Jesus is only God in the sense that He was begotten and not made. One could think of Jesus as Gods character. God personified His own character in order to relate to us boneheads. IF God raised him from the dead, I would think that all of Jesus died on the cross. The human character was dead. The Divine essence is alive. It is the hope of belief. It is the way that death is transcended. Perhaps. Scholars argue both ways on this one. Even if the crucifixion were a myth, however, the point of the story behind the myth is that there is a Creator who is the source of eternal life and that our physical death need not end our purpose and destiny, in light of eternity. Are you suggesting that anyone over the age of 5 should never have a belief? Perhaps you think that Star Wars is a healthier metaphor for aspiring 5 year olds to look up to! Use the force, Luke! And finish your peas, or Darth Vadar will get you in your sleep!IF Belief is only a viable option for children, perhaps Jesus was right when He said:

Who other than men have ever defined God?It is hard for Jesus to humble angels if He is below them.You know I do not believe in angels and demons.If the Bible is the word then it has to be read as a work of philosophy, not as a book with all kinds of fantastic creatures.If we are to believe in such then we may as well all be fundamentalists and believe every word of the Bible as truth. Islam tries to do the same.Let us put away talking snakes and fish that spit out men after three days. They do not belong to reality.Regards
DL

The entire basis of salvation through Christ depends on the fact that he was both fully God and fully man. He was still God, though he was made 'a little lower than the angels that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone' (Hebrews 2:9) If he was still only God and greater than the angels, he would not have been able to die for our sins. If he was "a great prophet and Rabbi" and not also fully God, he would not have been able to atone for the sins of the whole world.The only way for sins to be atoned for through the Law that God had given to the Israelites was through sacrifice. One animal sacrifice did not even cover all of the sins of a single nation, let alone the entire world. The sacrifice that would be needed to cover the sins of the world (past, present, and future sins) would have to be something that was infinitely valuable. The ONLY thing that is infinitely valuable is God, so he sent his Son into the world to be the sacrificial lamb for the sins of all. Since God is an infinite being that is not bound into existance as we are, he would have to become 'a little lower than the angels' in order to enter time and space.Interestingly enough, even being 'lower than the angels' everything was still subject to him."...and crowned him with glory and honor. You have given him rule over the works of your hands, putting all things under his feet..." (Psalm 8 6-7)

How many humans do you know that don't have a human father? Jesus being raised by God is the same as Jesus raising Himself, which makes His 'sacrifice' a walk in the park. Shades of polytheism here Phat. If God and Jesus are not the same then they are 2 different gods. Well God is supposed to know everything so there was no need to become a bonehead like us to know something. Anyway, it was the retard Yahweh who couldnt create a perfect creature, so it's not our fault that God is too thick to create something other than boneheads. Well a second ago you said that God DID raise Him from the dead, so which is it? Someone with divine essence is more than a human. There's no way out of it phat, if Jesus is God incarnate then He was more than human. If Jesus was God then He could not die, even begotten of God, an eternal being cannot die. The resurrection is a fairytale for babies. It doesn't matter what scholars say, take of your rose tinted glasses and read the thing, it is ridiculous. Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but it isnt Christianity. Not at all. But belief should have some grounds for taking it seriously. The entire Christian faith is flawed right from the very beginning, it isn't even consistent. Star Wars is a lot more believable than the NT Phat! And what makes you think Jesus is a good example to look up to? A god that slaughters innocent babies, a God that endorses rape and slavery, a God that endorses genocide, yeah Jesus is a wonderful role model. Or, "let my people go Pharaoh, even though I made it impossible for you to do so, or I will slaughter your innocent children", or "if you win this battle you can have all the virgins in the city to rape as you please". Yahweh is wonderful. Of course He was right. He obviously knew that anyone other than a child cannot take Him seriously, and after He died His followers, in their attempts to make Jesus into something He clearly wasn't, made the cult even more moronic with their corrucptions of the Hebrew Bible.You'd be better off worshipping Yoda, it doesnt take as big a leap of faith.

So He was lower but realy wasn't.OK.Regards
DL