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Author Topic:   Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?
TheTruth
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Message 16 of 64 (456643)
02-19-2008 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
02-08-2008 4:10 PM


sorry to nag, buttt
when you right a verse from the bible like Hebrews 2:9 please use the colon it looks like chapter 2 through chapter 9 but this is a good point I can't argue with what it says but I have been raised the same that Jesus is divine, I think it has more to do with "the one who knew no sin became sin for us" almost like the story of hercules(in this case Jesus) who became mortal(or human/sin) to marry a mortal(human/sinner) wife(the curch)

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Greatest I am
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Message 17 of 64 (456647)
02-19-2008 12:26 PM
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02-19-2008 11:24 AM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
God becoming human would be like you or I becoming a dog.
To think that God would go slumming is just too stupid for me to contemplate. How would anyone like to be conceived by a dog. Yuck.

Regards
DL


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TheTruth
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Message 18 of 64 (456649)
02-19-2008 12:29 PM
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02-19-2008 12:26 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
but can you think of a better way to show his unconditional love than becoming a lesser being just for us?

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Greatest I am
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Message 19 of 64 (456659)
02-19-2008 1:39 PM
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02-19-2008 12:29 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
Is this the same unconditional love that gave us the genocidal flood.

How does me becoming a dog show the dogs that I love them?
As a dog, I can only bark like any other dod. As a Hybrid man/dog, they would not recognize me as more than a dog.

Regards
DL


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Brian
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Message 20 of 64 (456662)
02-19-2008 1:43 PM
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02-19-2008 12:29 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
his unconditional love

Jesus' love isn't unconditional though, if it was we would all go to heaven and live happily ever after. However, we have to accept all sorts of illogical, irrational myths before He will let us in to His club.

than becoming a lesser being just for us?

I think His sacrifice was to clear His conscience. Yahweh is a particularly thick and ignorant god, it took Him a few thousand years to realise just how stupid He had been placing the tree right next to the only humans in the world.

Just like when he slaughtered millions of innocent people during the Flood, then regretted it, He realised just how stupid He was over this sin nonsense and thought up a way to atone for His sins. But just like the original sin and the Flood ideas He had thought up, the sacrifice of himself to himself for something He had done is equally as infantile.

Sorry, but you are worshipping the most retarded god in the celestial pantheon.


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Chiroptera
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Message 21 of 64 (456664)
02-19-2008 1:48 PM
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02-19-2008 12:29 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
but can you think of a better way to show his unconditional love than becoming a lesser being just for us?

I can. He can quit worry about that sin nonsense and actually love us and accept us for who we are just like any decent parent loves and accepts her children even when they take a different path in life than she originally had hoped for.


If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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TheTruth
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Message 22 of 64 (456668)
02-19-2008 2:20 PM
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02-19-2008 1:39 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
it is but thats the same mindset that brought it doubt of God does a parent not punish their children according to what they do

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TheTruth
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Message 23 of 64 (456669)
02-19-2008 2:23 PM
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02-19-2008 1:48 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
he does accept us but he wants us to be the best we can be just like a loving parent if we sin aka do something wrong he punishes us is that not what your parents did when you were bad

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Chiroptera
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Message 24 of 64 (456678)
02-19-2008 2:31 PM
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02-19-2008 2:23 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
...is that not what your parents did when you were bad....

My parents never sentenced me to eternal torment, no.

Anyway, I'm just answering a question. What else could God do to show his love for us? I answered it: forget the sin crap and eternal punishment nonsense. Sorry that you didn't like the answer.


If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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TheTruth
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Message 25 of 64 (456679)
02-19-2008 2:34 PM
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02-19-2008 2:31 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
thats totally out of context and you know I meant it as punish like time out?

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TheTruth
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Message 26 of 64 (456680)
02-19-2008 2:34 PM
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02-19-2008 1:43 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
just cause you get punished does not mean you are not loved so you sinned God can't be with sin thats why he turned from his son Jesus when he had the sins poured apon him ya you didn't accept Christ your still loved like a parent that spanks you they don't not love you they just must punish you for what you did with no punishment whats the point of being good if there were no laws why would I hold back from killing you? he didn't atone for his sins he didn't sin otherwise the atonement would be usless we sinned he atoned for us

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Chiroptera
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Message 27 of 64 (456682)
02-19-2008 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 2:34 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
Sorry, I assumed that you were a traditional evangelical Christian and believed that those who are not saved will spend eternity burning in Hell, which, as you seem to acknowledge, would make God very unloving indeed.

But since you seem to believe that a loving God simply punishes everyone by giving them a "time out" before he accepts them all back into his home, then I guess we have nothing further to discuss.


If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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TheTruth
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Message 28 of 64 (456683)
02-19-2008 2:46 PM
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02-19-2008 2:41 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
haha I love the sarcasim he does send you to hell but you refusing his sacrifice is alot different then stealing a cookie from the cookie jar there is only one unforgiven sin that would be not accepting him because if to you he never exsited than why would it matter him having mercy would be like an imaginary friend having mercy if you never believed in him

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Chiroptera
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Message 29 of 64 (456684)
02-19-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 2:46 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
...but you refusing his sacrifice is alot different then stealing a cookie from the cookie jar....

Okay, so you admit that your comparison with human parents was inappropriate.

The question I answered was this: how could God show his unconditional love better than being a "sacrifice"? I answered that question.


If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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Brian
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Message 30 of 64 (456687)
02-19-2008 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 2:34 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
just cause you get punished does not mean you are not loved so you sinned God can't be with sin thats why he turned from his son Jesus when he had the sins poured apon him ya you didn't accept Christ your still loved like a parent that spanks you they don't not love you they just must punish you for what you did with no punishment whats the point of being good if there were no laws why would I hold back from killing you? he didn't atone for his sins he didn't sin otherwise the atonement would be usless we sinned he atoned for us

Could you post that again using Mr. Full Stop and Mr Comma?

I have real difficulty deciphering your post.


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