Christian Evolutionists: How does that work? A Q&A session

Well I don't understand your obsession with signatures. It certainly isn't what I am asking for. If, for instance, we had a secure date for Moses and could show that Genesis was written about then, that would be a great help. Even if we could show that the date of writing was plausible for Mosaic authorship we would be better of than we are now.But I would like some evidence that most Christians believe the Moses wrote Genesis.ALso I suggest that you actually consider that "Law of Moses" need not refer to the Torah as a whole (rather than to the specific laws that - according to the Bible God gave to Moses) nor the Moses is that the author of the books we have now.

How did Moses write the parts that happen after he died?

Jar,
Have you been keeping up with frog, Ned, and my little back and forths on the word evolution and its definitions? Or did you miss that? Go back and read up before you cleverly highlight the "theory" like it's not known to me and everyone here what it is we are discussing. -Z

1. I have no obssesion with signatures. I was making a point which, apparently, you didn't get.
2. The authorship of the OT has been, from what I have heard, a topic of debate within the church. I personally have heard that Moses was the author and that is what has been taught to me. I haven't heard as many people state what you have (Moses not the author) as I have that he did.
Okay, I checked up on what you have been talking about. I saw where they say many authors over the first 700 years had probably wrote the pentateuch. Jeremiah may have been one of the writers. The style of writing that one book has verses the another makes them think there were many (5 or so). I'll check on it some more when I get more time. Thanks for helping me learn more.
3. I'll consider the "Law of Moses" doesn't refer to the torah as a whole. -ZThis message has been edited by Zachariah, 11-10-2004 03:33 PM

Damn good point frog. I never thought about that. -Z

HI Frog, Traditionally, Joshua is credited with the post Moses texts.But, of course, the number of Christian scholars, as in credible sources not the fruitloops we get on here, who think that Moses wrote the Torah could probably be counted on one hand.It isn't just the events that happened after Moses' death that cause a problem, many of the texts credtied to Moses are anachronistic and simply must have been written long after Moses allegedly lived.Brian.

I wouldn't start refering to people that are taught something that is wrong as frootloops. I have been checking up on what you al have said and see where I have made mistakes. I will say when I make mistakes. Alot of people were taught about Christmas at church and still celebrate it without knwing the truth behind it. Are they all frootloops? -Z

I have to agree with you Zacharia; those who are taught something wrong are not frootloops. There is no shame in ignorance. We all have more of that than we have knowledge.There is reason to deride someone who willfully remains ignorant when an opportunity to learn is presented and there are worse things to say about those who knowling teach falsehoods.I'm not commenting on any specific issue and specifically not anything about Christmas since I didn't follow that.

You keep mixing up theory and fact, Zach.The fact evolution of life on this planet has happened is one thing. That is known to be a fact. How it happened is the theory. You have to deal with them one at a time.The fact is that there was a time on the planet when there were no mammals, humans or birds. A long time later there were. The fact that the forms of the mammals alive now are not the same as the earliest ones says one of two things:1) life changed through processes we see now(that is, since the later forms were born of earlier ones the later ones were different from the ones they were born from)
2) a myiad of different life forms were created without haveing been born from previous ones. This had to have happened billions or trillions of times spread over many 100's of millions of years.In either case the make up of life on the planet did change over time. It 'evolved' in one sense or another.If it was case one then we are talking about biological evolution in the current scientific sense but not about the details of how it happened.If it was the second case then we are talking about some other type of evolution that was, in fact, considered as an explanation of how the forms of life on earth changed over time. It was dropped when it was realized how many new forms would have to arise in this way.Those are the facts. They are very well founded facts. They are there to look at in the geological record and have newe corroborating evidence as well.The theory of evolution is a very good explanation of those facts. Do you have a better one?You may call the "SO CALLED" facts but you have not shown why stating that they are facts is wrong.You have to deal with physics, geology, chemistry and biology to begin to kick a hole in this. You have a lot of work to do.

Please see Message 249 which is from Ned. You still seem to be confusing the two issues.Evolution is as close to a fact as we are likely to ever find.The Theory on the otherv hand, is so well supported that it is unlikely to get overturned.You are free to challenge either but so far you have not shown any convincing evidence.On the other hand, as a Christian, I find nothing in either evolution or the Theory of Evolution that conflicts with my Christian beliefs. And that is the point of the thread. Christian Evolutionists: How does that work? A Q&A sessionANSWER: It works very well so far.

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So what point WERE you making by talking about signatures all the time ? It's not as if it had anything to do with what I was saying.The fact is that the only link to Moses is a tradition that can't be relibly dated. In my opinion the "Books of Moses" term probably came about because most of them are ABOUT Moses. But there are also parts which seem to have been written down a considerable time after Moses death.
(e.g. Deuteronomy 34:6
"And He buried him [Moses - PK] in the valley in the land of Moab,opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day." Obviously this was written quite a long time after Moses died - so Moses certainly could not have written it)The "Law of Moses" usually refers to the actual laws. While the Torah is sometimes referred to as the Law it is quite apparent that much of it is not any sort of law (including almost all of Genesis - which is mainly narrative).