Atheists have less reason to continue living?

No, it's self-motivated, but not selfish.You're equivocating on the words "selfish" and "altruism", and committing a fallacy of four terms. "Altruism cannot be selfish; its illogical to suggest that people do things that do not benefit themselves; altruism must have benefit to the altrusitic; therefore, no one can be truly altruistic."It's selfish for me to gain benefit at the expense of others. There's no selfishness at all when I do things that benefit everybody, including myself. That's altruism, not selfishness.

Why don't you?

I think it's telling that most anti-atheists like yourself don't know enough about what their criticizing to know that there's no difference between agnosticism and atheism.

Still not big on those listening skills, are you?

Shh, don't distract the man. He's busy pummeling strawmen of atheistic monstrosities. Btw, I prefered it when it used to be that you would go out stabbing puppies and having sex with the stab wounds.

The puppies don't stay warm as long. Besides, the orphans have those adorable big ol' come-hither eyes.

And you're a primate....you have primate instincts, no matter what pressure society might place on you to suppress them. As an atheist, you should be much more in touch with this fact than most..... Again, you're being naive.......try studying up on the Yanomamo and tell me it isn't natural for humans to rape and murder. But my own meaning would be just that.......completely subjective. This is garbage. What you've just done is equivilant to describing the physics of punching yourself in the face over and over again and therefore concluding that punching yourself in the face is a logical course of action......

Hi Rusty,If you have a little extra time could you add a post to this thread and summarize some of the points you've made? If you don't have the time, I completely understand. This thread could benefit from a complete structured summary of your position on atheism and it's consequences for human society.thanx
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Okay, so now you've moved the goalposts, and said that there are instincts that appeal to all of us.Wuss. Feel free to insult me, guy. But have the stones to back it up afterward. The Yanomamo, of course, being a society. And given that you're responding to a statement about there not being a society... geez, you're all over there, big guy. Care to pick a direction and stick with it? So?Hate to break it to you guy, but you're assigning completely subjective meaning to something objectively meaningless right at this second. For instance, the following string of white lines on blue background has no inherent, objective meaning:RUSTY SHACKLEFORD IS AN ASS-HAT.And yet we, as a society, have gotten together given those meaningless white lines a subjective meaning that carries a great deal of weight. No, because I gave a cause and an effect. All you've done is list a completely random act. The physics of punching yourself only explain how it is done... they don't give a cause.

There are a number of logical reasons why God might have loved those children, but still killed them.......but that's off-topic. Let's assume for a moment that God simply didn't love those children......that doesn't speak to the topic that the morality code of Christians is based off of the knowledge that God loves us, at least, if not all men.

Because Christ loves her......and has commanded me to love her as well.A much more topical question would be why don't YOU? Because you'd have absolutely no reason not to, using atheist logic, apart from fear of reprisal.

I'm not the one who brought the strictures of culture into this......you're right, it is off-topic, and I'm not to be blamed for it.

Geez, I'm certainly getting an emotional response out of you people........ya know, for a bunch of people who spend a lot of their time picking apart other peoples' beliefs, you sure do get touchy when the tables are turned.

why do you think that Jason?

And this statement is oxymoronic, but not a contradiction in terms. That's like saying you make money for non-selfish reasons, because the greater economy is benefitted......no, you make money entirely for yourself, and the economy benefitting is a side-effect.