Nicene Creed and get it right if you are going to post my beliefs.
As far as jar's beliefs, which is kinda rude to be discussing, I read him write that he thought that it didn't matter if Jesus was God or not. I think that being a Christian pretty much means that Jesus' divinity does matter, so its hard for me mix that belief with those of the True Christian(TM).
Let's try to get it right.
I have said two things.
One that "The message of Jesus would be valid even if Jesus had only been myth and tales told around the campfire."
I have also said that while Jesus lived here among us, I believe he was fully human.
Last, look at the Nicene Creed:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
And catholic does not mean Roman Catholic, but rather inclusive.
And we've already agreed that being a member is not enough:
No, we have not. Being a member includes abiding by the club rules.
The club doesn't make sure that you agree with the bylaws before they accept you into it so you could be in the club and not accept the bylaws.
Maybe in SOME chapters of the club. But in every Christian Church I have even attended, the rules, the "I believes", are recited at every service.
Being a part of a Christian group is not what makes a True Christian. Sure, that makes you a christian, by defintion of being in the club. But that doesn't make you a Christian as in a follower of Christ.
Sorry but being a follower of Christ, what ever that means, that has NOTHING to do with being a Christian. You even admit in that very same paragraph that "Sure, that makes you a christian, by defintion of being in the club".
Sorry, but if you are in the club by definition you are a True Christian.
How does the club test that you honestly subscribe to the bylaws and are not just saying that you do?
What are the requirements that you actually subscribe to the bylaws and are not just saying that you do?
There are none.
A non-Christian could be in the club.
Sorry, but to be in the club all that is needed is that you subscribe to the bylaws and that the club accept that you have done so. If you are a member of the club called "Christians" then you are a "Christian".
I just don't see any other way around it.
There is no way that you can actually test whether someone really believes the "I believes" or simply so asserts.
As to "True Christian" being implied, it just plain ain't there. Now if Phat wants to change it to a discussion of "True Christian" then fine, but don't pretend it was actually the topic.
If you folk want to play the "No True Scotsman" game, then enjoy. I have no time for that.
They are different. A very large number of Christians just don't seem to understand what Jesus message was, and so even though they are Christians, club members, don't seem to follow his teachings, while lots of folk who are not in the club, do follow Jesus teachings.