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Topic: I'm trying: a stairway to heaven?
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Chiroptera
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Message 30 of 303 (255521)
10-29-2005 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Jackie
10-29-2005 6:25 PM
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If there is a God he will have to forgive us all because we are all imperfect.
Actually, an omnipotent god can do anything he wants, which is why I find it amusing when evangelicals try to tell us what god is going or not going to do.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 303 (255842)
10-31-2005 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by iano
10-31-2005 4:33 PM
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Hello, iano. I suppose that an omnipotent God could will himself out of existence for a pre=specified time. Kind of odd to think about, eh? I think that some people, especially anti-theists, get too hung up on the meaning of omnipotence. I think it's acceptable to think of omnipotence as being able to do anything that is logically possible. Or does that make God subservient to the laws of logic? Hmm. On the other hand, if God is thought to be able to transcend logic, then I suppose that God could create a stone so large that he can't lift it. And still be able to lift it. Heh. Oops. I just realized that this is getting way off-topic. Unless the concept of omnipotence is relevant, and it may be useful to point out the subtle difficulties in the concept.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 68 of 303 (255883)
10-31-2005 7:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by iano
10-31-2005 5:37 PM
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What would you make of a God whereby your salvation had absolutely nothing to do with your behaviour but on your hearts reaction to your behaviour.
I'm not sure I'm the one to ask about this, iano; the question seems to presume the concepts of "sin" and "salvation", which seem to be rather "cartoonish" to me. It's not that I can't get into the idea of "eternal damnation" in the context of a fun horror movie, or the idea of "sin" in the depiction of some fictional character as debauched; I don't think it makes very good practical theology in the real world.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Yes, I agree; the OT god seems much more like the classical gods in the other religions in that region and at that time (I especially like the depiction of God in Job, where he eggs Satan on at a drinking party). Very much different from the Hellenistic idea of a Perfect Being, pretty much transcendent of the material world, that we read about in the NT.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 91 of 303 (255997)
11-01-2005 10:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by iano
10-31-2005 7:38 PM
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Which do you think best fits with the concept of Good News
Ah, this seems a bit different from the way the question was phrased previously. At any rate, am I really the one to interpret the "Good News"? Because if I do, I'm going to go with the Sermon on the Mount, as recorded in Matthew, which is pretty non-judgemental, if I recall.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 96 of 303 (256019)
11-01-2005 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 93 by iano
11-01-2005 11:14 AM
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Yeah, the one with the sensible fix (apologizing to the offended person).
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 110 of 303 (256041)
11-01-2005 2:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by iano
11-01-2005 12:16 PM
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Old Randman has got a bit of a toasting from you of late so you better be off doing the rounds.
Heh. Him and CanadianSteve. I foresee a very warm afterlife. Or at least an extended stay in Purgatory. I assure you that any insults that went your way were intended to be jokes, not actually meant to be offensive. -
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Hows the Ph.D gig by the way CP.
I gave up on it. It just wasn't coming together, and they were putting up too many extra hurdles to remain in the program. So it isn't going to be Dr. Chiroptera, at least not in this life.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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He or he?
Besides, isn't capitalizing personal pronouns referring to the deity a relatively recent phenomenon?
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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