YEC vs. EVO presuppositions / methodology

Faith, I am too busy to look at anything today, but I will review your post, give it a fair hearing and promote it if it looks promising.Glad to see you around.

I will, but I have no time and haven't read the OP yet, nor your response, in detail. I fired off a couple of responses on the ID topic I started and this, but I can't really give anything a lot of thought until after business hours.I'll be back after 5pm.

OK, I am promoting the topic here with the understanding that the topic is about the underlying presuppositions involved in the evolution/creation debate.My own thinking is the topic has merit because whereas evolutionists exclude beliefs based on subjective, spiritual experiences which produce faith, often with an objective component, YECists do believe in the realiability of the Bible as accurate, partly based on their subjective experiences or perhaps for some tradition. However, YECers do also base their ideas on the type of evidence evos accept, even if they disagree with it.Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.This message has been edited by AdminRandman, 11-21-2005 05:04 PM

This is the kind of extraneous comment we don't need, and the kind of thing that will ruin the thread. I recognize many including myself as randman do this at times, but it still needs to be corrected when it starts. Otherwise, the thread degenerates into everyone responding with this sort of thing.Stick to the facts relevant to the discussion, not personal assessments of the other person.

I don't have time to moderate this thread today, nor even read it, but the little bit I have read thus far suggests it has strayed off-topic, and has gotten overly personal.So here is a reminder of the OP topic. This is in Faith and Belief, not a Science forum. It's already conceded by Faith and the whole point of the OP that she and YECers include some different presuppositions and standards than evolutionists or "Science" does.So let's don't beat a dead horse in the ground. If you think Faith's position is unreasonable, then discuss that. Are the presuppositions reasonable or not?Insisting her position is unreasonable because it does not conform to the same presuppositions, in other words, the same scientific standards, is not going to fly here.This is the Faith and Belief forum. You got a problem with faith because it's not always as scientific as science theories, fine. We all know who of you have that problem, but the basis here has to be whether something is reasonable or not, not whether it is scientific.My own suggestion (the comments above are not suggestions) is that the forum may want to consider that even if a faith position is reasonable for an individual, how should that position be discussed via a vis science when the ideas cross, such as with aspects of YECism.I also think's it worth noting, as some have, that not all YECers claim they need to resort to the Bible to make their stance, but at the same time, both Faith and the evos here have made arguments that their faith is always a component of their thinking.So it's the OP, or the thread goes nowhere.

Fair enough, in one sense, but I think reasonableness is OK, but maybe another mod can intervene. My point is that if someone wants to attack the premises here in stating they don't belong, that they cannot on the Faith and Belief Forum just insist that scientific standards are the only correct standard.In one sense, you and the evos agree. Both say the Bible is a large part of why YECers believe what they believe, and argue what they argue. The difference is that evos say this is wrong, and you say it is acceptable and reasonable.So I was trying to help clarify the debate and allow the disagreement factor to be discussed within the parameters of this forum.

Faith, I think you make some interesting points and that if some did take a step back, they might see why they have an impression YECers are unreasonable and why YECers think they are being unreasonable.Unfortunately though, I have to call it day as far as Moderating activities and probably as randman too. Work beckons and family too.