Charismatic Chaos

And that folks is white privilege in action. Actually, this is way beyond white privilege, this is a powerful expression of white supremacy. A totally different and much more destructive thing.
Racists gotta be racist.

Some may say that I am dragging my own thread off topic, but I honestly believe that this issue is part of Charismatic Chaos. And Faith, I am going to be critical on an equal opportunity basis, as you claim the current administration is.
I have as many demons as anybody, but I try and recognize them before they take over my mind completely. Thus the following observations are entirely my own. Even if true, the identity movement does have to do with privilege and preserving an artificial construct. We just use different words. Instead of saying to make White People "great again" (artificially constructed privileged again) we substitute the term "America." Even if you can make a case that you need to ask yourself why Trump Populists have such strong feelings regarding Obama, Leftism, and Nationalism.And before you go scolding me about how I have been corrupted, remember that I examine all sides of every issue even though I sometimes rant for favoritism as you also do.

I read those two internet pages you sent me. If you recall, I listened to the entire audiobook titled White Fragility: The other Side Of Racism, and even though I sometimes rant about no longer being favored, I am aware that it is inevitable. Perhaps it is God's way of preparing me for being worthy of inclusion into His Kingdom. You know that I have a long way to go and there are some attitudes that I even resist. I am scared of losing my status and of having to compete at age 60+ as the future of social security is so uncertain.Of course, some people even argue that Christianity itself has been a tool of White Privilege. I know this much. Jesus was most definitely not white. And it is my hope and prayer that the indigenous cultures will treat my family much better than my ancestors treated them. I need to realize that giving up power is not something I should take personally. It is a corrective action culturally. If this were simply fake news or a plot of "the Left" there would not be so much anger out there directed against it. In fact, I think that demonizing "The Left" is, in essence, a sublimated act of demonizing those of other races and cultures who dare to knock "us" off of our throne. This is the whole reason that Populism raised its head globally.

I know why. It's because Obama is a Communist hater of America who did what he could to destroy our economy and our standing as the good nation against the evil nations in the world, and because Leftism IS ultimately Communism, which is anti-American in essence. It has come down to us from the sixties when Cultural Marxism got a foothold in the universities and it has been working ever since to destroy the nation. This is the grounding of our desire to make America great again, because they hve been working to destroy our greatness and if Hillary had won we'd be in really bad shape now. Oh it will come back and people who don't understand what America was founded to be and what Leftism is will no doubt keep supporting it. And Nationalism is simply the desire to keep America America. I'm sorry you have been so influenced by the other side.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OK. Because you are insane haters.

I guess the "identity movement" is some marginal rightwing racist group?: Why do you make Trump responsible for such crazxy people?Oh one more thing: Leftism/Communism/Marxism in America is like a wolf and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. In other words you cannot be a "moderate" between the two of them, it's one or the other.

OK Let me ask you a hypothetical question. What would Jesus think? What about the nationalists and America might Jesus like? What about Communism and cultural marxism might Jesus hate?

Why not if the possibility that it formed under cultish pretenses exists? Zoroastrianism, Islam, Hinduism, Scientology.... doesn't matter how many or how few the practitioners might be. The amount of practitioners doesn't legitimize a religion -- lest you think 2 billion Muslims got it right based on an appeal to popularity. The fact remains that the teachings are either accurate or inaccurate and that somewhere along the line a group of people were duped by some cult leader and it continued to spread long after the cult leader died. Sure, the term "cult" gives the allusion that its a small body, but isn't that how every religion was formed in its infancy?Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

I see all the "wokeness" as often counter-productive and divisive, regardless of how well-intentioned it might be. I don't think its helpful or realistic. I don't think one needs to practice self-deprecation or trashing the white race in order to elevate another race. Having said that, it is incontestable that racism is alive and well. Sure, to the degree it has been portrayed is often unfair and we should rejoice in some of the advancements we've made. But you present it as if you're more likely to find Bigfoot riding on the back of the Loch Ness Monster than to find a dyed-in-the-wool racist at a Unite the Right rally. Racism is real, it is alive, and is dangerous. You keep talking about the leftist narrative and while there is some truth to it, you are blind to your own side's misdeeds and how they (pardon the pun) whitewash the actions and words of people who really do harbor some racist ideologies. The Right has knowingly harbored and tolerated closeted racists for decades. That is a fact, Faith. Why pretend like it never happens when it so transparently does? Its one thing to criticize cancel culture for going out on a fault-finding mission and falsely branding people. But it is real and nowhere near vanquished, as you've mentioned. Is racism less prevalent in 2020 than 1920 or 1820? Of course, and that's great. But if you think its as eradicated as Polio, you're sorely mistaken.And why is it that you have such a difficult time finding moderation? Why can't you find some fault to rightwing ideology without throwing it all out? It doesn't have to be all or none. Fine, you support Trump. But you treat him as if he walks on water. You treat him as if he's the 2nd coming of Christ. You can support someone without supporting absolutely everything about them. You border on Hitler Youth type fervor a lot of the time. You can support conservative values without swallowing all of it wholesale. You can be critical of leftwing ideology without thinking its all a socialist conspiracy foisted upon us by George Soros. Be charitable and cede some ground some of the time, Faith... You might be surprised at what can get accomplished.

Don't like people getting uppity? People should just accept what is and be happy for the meagre crumbs thrown their way? How is it counter-productive and divisive? Discrimination isn't divisive? That is not what people are doing when they are pointing out white privilege. That you make this claim is an example of your white privilege. It is just as prevalent. It has just taken on a different guise. Racism may not be as blatant as lynching, but redlining and economic, institutional racism still keeps certain people "in their place".

I'm aware of some reacism, so what? The Left goes around accusing ALL of us on the right of racism, it's in evidence here at EvC, and all the rest of their politically correct arsenal of accusations, that all came out of Cultural Marxism. It's a partisan weapon, it has nothing to do with facts and truth, and all the namecalling isn't going to stop what racism continues anyway. You hate Trump so I'm wary of anything you say.It's the Democratic Party that historically has all the racism to its credit and that never gets noticed. There's probably just as much of it among them now as ever too.The right I identify with is conservative, it defends the Constitution, everybody's rights. The Left wants to bring it all crashing down and unfortunately some of them don't even know it. You too most likely.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Obviously discrimination its divisive. Its more than divisive, its dangerous. What I said about wokeness is that its not helpful. I guess it comes down to different approaches and different perspectives. Some feel Malcolm X's approach to civil rights was more impactful and others feel that MLK's approach was more helpful. That's the net result and it doesn't help the situation it inflames it.

I guess you missed my point. Why is wokeness unhelpful? You have not backed it up with any thing to support your position. You just made the statement. How does pointing out institutional racism and racist attitudes inflame racism? Is this like the whole idea that making gun owners follow new gun laws will cause violence and they shouldn't be held responsible or be expected to follow the laws?

You are a racist. Your words make that very clear.
The vast majority of people on the far right are racist. The GOP is racist. Anyone that supports donnie is supporting a racist and is condoning racism. Condoning racism is a racist act. Therefore trumpies and the GOP are racist.

You're looking at things through too extreme a lens. Things aren't as binary as you think they are or want them to be. Of course the Democratic party has blood on their hands, but so does the Republican party. And what difference does it make? People are not the sum of their political affiliations. You are too far in the forest to see the trees. Over several decades the KGB, masters of disinformation, took the admonishment seriously that America cannot be conquered by an outside force; that the only way to see it falter is by attacking it from within -- getting Americans to view each other with feral suspicion. The Left/Right FALSE dichotomy, the intentional exacerbation of race relations, the erosion of trust within our institutions are possibly the saplings of seeds sowed decades ago... and we are the unwitting pawns of those disinformation campaigns. Like just about everything in else in life, your diagnosis of the problem isn't as simplistic as "everything bad in America is because of leftists." You might share ownership over some of this. Perhaps we should be asking what we can do better to help the situation instead of pointing fingers.Its funny, because if you watch the reactions Theo trashes anything I wrote that was complimentary to his position and focused narrowly on the things he didn't agree with. You're doing the same thing. Instead of seeing it as charitable or moderate in an attempt to foster constructive dialogue, you choose to excoriate me on the basis that I dared say anything that was unflattering to your position.There's a word for that kind of psychosis and its called "extremism."