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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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And, in case you didn't notice, I have not answered. What I believe is irrelevant to anyone but me. AbE: Of course asking why I believe is a valid question and I have tried repeatedly to answer that. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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GDR Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
People like Phat, Faith and even the atheists on this forum do have the courage to make themselves vulnerable by putting their beliefs out there. You attack their beliefs, often in very patronizing and insulting language, while hiding in the weeds with your own beliefs whatever they are. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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And that was simply a sophomoric stupid thing for you to say. I have posted what I believe here many times over many years. But what I believe is still irrelevant. And no, I do not attack others beliefs but instead ask why they believe what they believe. Learn to read and comprehend. I believe you can do that. Understand, I try very hard to never be unintentionally rude. AbE: To offer more help As an Anglican you are familiar with the "I believes" I imagine. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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GDR Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined:
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Hmmmm He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 14837 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Pray: Dwell intentionally with God each day
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GDR does have a point, though. You are often critical and occasionally a wee bit arrogant. We still love ya though...ya old texan.
OK. Convince me why it would be helpful for me to throw God away and what precisely that would mean in regard to thinking.
We don't necessarily need to know what you believe. We are more interested in why you believe it, how you arrived at your conclusions, and why you--unique among Christians we know--cant simply accept what many others accept without not only questioning it but trashing it. Yes, many CCoI do need to learn how to think, for their own good and edification. But were they to listen to your advice, they would not understand why their beliefs are but those of a huge con game and why they would ever be asked to throw away their precious God...Who represents their common hope for the future. It would seem to follow that if you advocated God simply as a symbolic ritual and mythos, you are in fact not a believer. You can say you are, and you can retreat into the domain of personal business, but you cant convince us that you believe the way that we believe. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
No Phat, once again you misrepresent what I have said. Were the graineries in Matt 25?
And there is that nonsense again. Phat, I have posted my beliefs over and over again here at EvC but it seems you and some others are incapable of reading them or retaining the information for more that 15 seconds.
Thank God I do not believe the way you believe. As I told GDR I try very hard not to be unintentionally rude.
I cannot and have no reason to convince you to throw God away but can only repeat the possible reasons that you should; even though you know the reasons but admit that you do not like them. There is no need even to repeat them yet again Phat, you often repeat them yourself. You do not want a God that says you have to do it on your own and that God is NOT gonna clean up after you again. Edited by jar, : there needs to be a "k" in thank
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GDR Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
OK You say that you are clear about what you believe. I asked a simple question about your belief. Not what you know.
You replied:
Is God deistic in that He no longer has any influence in our world of space and time, or are you theistic in your beliefs, believing that God does still interact in this world? He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
I honestly have no idea and can see no possible way to answer that. It really is irrelevant. I'm not even sure it has any meaning.
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GDR Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
It isn't that hard. As a Christian I believe that God has not initiated life here and then left us on our own. I do believe that God does interact with our consciousness with His still small voice gently nudging us to do the right thing. We have the freedom to ignore that voice to whatever degree we want but that it is still there. Do I know this is true? Absolutely not. It is what I believe.
Again I am asking what it is you believe. I am not asking what it is you know. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
And again, I am telling you that it is simply irrelevant and hardly worth any more time or effort. There is absolutely no way to know about any such source and so regardless of whether or not you believe that the small quiet voice is God it is up to you to test the content against logic, reason and reality. Even the direct voice of God is not beyond questioning.
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GDR Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Once again you simply show your inability to read or to retain what you read longer than 15 seconds. I am a believer, an Episcopalian and I am familiar with the "I believes". But all that is irrelevant. Regardless of who we believe the source might be we are charged to test the content against logic, reason and reality. Remember all the times I have discussed Genesis 18 here? Edited by jar, : wrong key
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Phat Member Posts: 14837 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Our friendly Texan has stated many times that he is a believer. You ask if he is agnostic. Let's ask Mr. Dictionary!
Of course, the record shows that jar says he is a believer. Perhaps you should ask him why he does not fit the definition that the Dictionary has for an agnostic. Perhaps his idea of belief differs notably from yours or mine. He likely will defend his believer status by saying he is a member of an established club. That he attended Christian schools and was raised in a Christian home. and yet, like the definition, he says that there is no way that we can know God. The Socratic teachers are strong in this one. Add by edit: He has us though in that, unlike the definition, he does claim faith. I would argue that he has faith in his ability to be responsible and fulfill the charge. Unlike myself, he won't embrace belief without evidence. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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Phat Member Posts: 14837 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What if God is illogical, often felt to be unreasonable, and not discernible in reality? Would you ever then choose agnosticism in the strict definition of the word? “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33095 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Yes to all of the above but above all we need to question our own preconceived notions, beliefs, and hopes and dreams.
Think Phat, think. Your statement presupposes that it is possible to know those things about God and yet again, what does the evidence show? Look at the characteristics of the God characters in the Bible as a beginning point and then look beyond. How about a God who lost his eye and the lost eye set out on an independent journey and created all the original people of Egypt. We've been over this many times Phat. The God of Genesis 1 fits your criteria as does the entirely different God of the Exodus folk tales. Have people believed in all of those Gods?
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