While this American Civil Liberties Union discussion isn't totally off-topic, it is a significant deviation from the central theme.
I suggest to berberry that he start a new "Coffee House" topic, devoted specificly to the ACLU. Also, then such discussion won't get lost in this topic.
Adminnemooseus
Note: To all - See how I got the full name in sentence one? Abreviations may not be known to all, so it is good to at least once also have the full name. In a new topic, the full name should be in the title.