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mike the wiz
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Message 3 of 19 (110433)
05-25-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JCPalmer
05-25-2004 2:43 AM


Well, you forget those who have had healings/experiences of God. I have heard many testimonies of those who are unreligious, yet they come to believe because of a divine intervention. In a way, it's a bit like cutting out the chapter/religion, to get to God. Rather interestingly though, I heard an apparent testimony of late, of a man and his wife, they "saw" Christ and he told them to "read the good word". So, that kinda means God has put the chapter/religion, back into business. Which kinda comes back to your theory in a way. Lol.
I guess your friend is unreligious. I am christian, I am also unreligious. I don't even go to church, so I guess that is how he can believe in God but not religion. Remember, the OT says "have no other gods". So it seems there is an almost unreligiosity in effect. Afterall, according to the bible, God made man - man made religion.

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mike the wiz
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Message 7 of 19 (110521)
05-25-2004 9:58 PM
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05-25-2004 6:20 PM


What about God --> man --> religion?
Afterall, I only said God made man, and even told man to have no religions. There would be no religions but for the different gods God spoke of. No wonder he was angry.
I know you are thinking, I'm not brainwashed, however, do not think of brainwashed as a negative term. We have been conditioned throughout life. You were not born believing in God, you were taught therefore brainwashed)
No, I chose to ignore man/world and concentrate on the words of Christ. In knowing man and knowing Christ, I can only come to one conclusion. Man = greed/war/violence etc.. I cannot make the connection to Christ's words. Basically, they've stuck in, and they're never coming out, no matter what any man says. Therefore, I am far from brainwashed, with my freewill intact. That was an independent act from what man and the world says.
Evolution then man, then religion then God --> is one of your ideas. Okay, what about before evolution? Who thought of man?
I think of another one now.
God(no religion as there is only God)-------> creation/evolution, man, many gods made by man, therefore religion.
Afterall, I did say God made man, then religion. I am not religious. If that can be said about me, while I am a believer in Christ, how then is religion relevant?

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mike the wiz
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Message 11 of 19 (110755)
05-26-2004 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by JCPalmer
05-26-2004 12:39 AM


Well if God created man, when did he tell them to follow him.
It seems God wasn't as hard to find, within the natural, as we go farther back in time. Jacob, for example - who wrestled with him, and Moses - who spoke with him and recieved Commandments straight from him. Adam ofcourse, God was even with him in the garden. It seems that slowly but surely, we want less of God untill eventually, for some of us, we end up hearing of him through a book, chapters, religion etc.
No one thought of man, before evolution there was nothing. Time did not even exits. Let me switch this up on you, you say God - Man - Religion etc... Well what was before God?
Firstly, I think the universe existed a long time before evolution. As for God there was never a "before" him.
That nothing existed and in a single instance the cosmo's were created and throughout Billions of years evolution lead us to now.
Well, for me, that's very unrealistic. To expect that we came from a "single instance". A single instance of what? - Nothing?
Even if billions of years of evolution lead to us, how does that explain the fact that the first living thing came about? Can you get something from nothing? What is the point in a universe? Why would this universe just happen? Why should it and why would it? Our very exitence is not explained through a "single instance" - or atleast, it won't bake my cake.
If God is real, and religion is not needed, what is the point of life? Why would he go and create this when we could just go to heaven? Lets not stop there, why even create anything at all, would it be for his enjoyment? If we were not created then there would be no death, no famine, no love,
The point of life eh, the point of life is God. You have to realize though, that there is a simple biblical explanation. You see, the earth was like a heaven when created, it was only man's choices to go against God that led to death. This creation glorifies God. Even if you look upon the stars you can see why.
I notice that you are a person who thinks evolution is the antithesis of God. That's not necessarily the case though.
Also - time is not relevant to God, it is written in the New Testament "A day is as a thousand years to God, and a thousand years is as a day". --> So basically, there is no effect of time on God, whatsoever. His canvas (the heavens) could sit there for billions of years, and it would make no difference to him. Think of it as a fishbowl that God is looking in at.
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