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Message 193 of 223 (197083)
04-05-2005 8:33 PM


I'm at least the 3rd moderator stepping in here. Have two requests:
  1. All future posts must be in some way related to the main topic of this thread.
  2. If anyone would like to discuss Biblical validity further, please propose a new topic or take the discussion to one of the existing threads on this topic.

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Message 201 of 223 (197180)
04-06-2005 4:24 AM
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04-06-2005 2:38 AM


Re: Too funny for words.
Hi Faith,
I think it might be a good idea if you to focused your attention and energy on the Deposition and Erosion of Sediments thread. I've temporarily restricted your access in the Main Topic Forums to [forum=-8] forum.

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Message 205 of 223 (197229)
04-06-2005 10:57 AM


Faith's Posting Privileges Restored for Some Forums
After reading a number of Faith's old posts this morning, I believe Faith is trying very hard to focus on the main topic of the various threads in which she participates, but when her positions are challenged Faith usually offers the Bible as her supporting evidence. Naturally, the veracity of the Bible is immediately challenged and the discussion then turns off-topic and onto Biblical accuracy and inerrancy.
For this reason, I'm going to immediately restore Faith's posting privileges in the forums where the Bible's value as an evidenciary source can be discussed:
[forum=-1]
[forum=-6]
[forum=-11]

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Message 206 of 223 (197237)
04-06-2005 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
04-06-2005 2:38 AM


Re: Too funny for words.
Hi Faith,
Here are some suggestions for threads where I think you could make some valuable contributions:
If it helps, let me describe how well you're doing from my own perspective. I'll use a close analogy. Let's say that as part of a class back in high school you were assigned a position you had to support as best you could in a one-on-one debate with another student in the class. The proposition under consideration: Smoking is bad for your health. You've been assigned the con position (in other words, you have to argue that smoking is not bad for your health). You enter the debate defending this hopeless position and nearly, by the judgment of the teacher, win. And he gives you an A+!
And that's the way your various discussions here at EvC Forum look to me. Naturally I'm biased toward the scientific viewpoint, and no doubt from a Creationist perspective you're kicking ass, but I just wanted you to know that even among those who most strongly disagree with you (which includes me), you're probably granted a great deal of respect for sincerity and honesty, for strong and well-reasoned argumentation, and for original thinking. I'm sure my saying this will bring some replies noting your occasional howler or some possibly illogical positions, but when one engages in as much original thinking as you do then I think that's to be expected.

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Message 213 of 223 (197415)
04-07-2005 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by nator
04-06-2005 7:42 PM


Re: Too funny for words.
Schraf writes:
On the one hand, I agree with you.
On the other hand, she just called me the stupidest person on EvC.
But you're used to being a lightning rod.
One thing discussion with Faith makes apparent is that she approaches the debate with pretty much the same attitude we do. She believes all the facts are on her side, and that once she makes us aware of those facts that we'll be persuaded. In her view, denying the obvious truth of the Bible after all the information she's provided is simply stubborn and perverse. In her eye we're just mindlessly arguing for our viewpoint even though we must know by now that it's wrong.
Persuading Faith (which, let's not kid ourselves, is unlikely) is going to be a two step process. First, she's got to be convinced of the nature of true evidence. The opinion of fifty billion Christians *can* be wrong, but more importantly, it doesn't mean squat as evidence. Second, she has to be presented the evidence for geology (not evolution, since she doesn't seem actively involved in that topic right now) and be provided the means of interpreting it properly. While old rivers and streams should occasionally be preserved in the geologic column, in general erosion is like sandpaper - it smooths and levels. And we must realize that as she learns more her misconceptions will increase, not decrease as we might expect, because she's driven by the need to preserve consistency with the Biblical stories.
If Faith decides to stay it should be quite an interesting battle. Faith is willing to explore the logical implications of evidence, but her innate ingenuity often finds implications we hadn't anticipated.

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