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Sylas
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Message 20 of 223 (194886)
03-27-2005 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
03-27-2005 9:30 PM


Re: How much agreement?
Oh. I've noticed you've used this phrase often when you have a different interpretation than others. So should I revise to assume that whenever interpretation is different than yours, God then, is being made a liar by the ones who disagree with your interpretation?
Come on buz! That is just saying the same thing, and jar has already answered. Jar has said "no".
According to jar, there ARE different interpretations that are not making out God to be a liar.
What jar is saying is that those interpretations which make God out to be saying that the earth is 6000 years old are making out God to be a liar. Do you see the difference? According to jar, there are a range of different interpretations, including interpretations different from his own, which are not making out God to be a liar.
Cheers -- Sylas

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Sylas
Member (Idle past 5285 days)
Posts: 766
From: Newcastle, Australia
Joined: 11-17-2002


Message 72 of 223 (195258)
03-29-2005 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
03-29-2005 4:25 PM


The gullibility in your statement is what is staggering. Have you ever read any C.S. Lewis? He could show you how to distinguish between history and fiction. I guess 3000 year track record of its having been taken as true history isn't evidence in these parts, huh?
CS Lewis was indeed able to distinguish history and fiction; and being an expert in literature he certainly did not make the facile mistake of treating Genesis as a history. Lewis regarded it as myth, and he regarded that as a compliment, not a denegration.
Lewis was not much concerned with whether events took place in history exactly as recorded in Genesis; in his view this makes little difference to the importance of the account or why it was recorded. There is a good discussion of how Lewis treated the bible at The Unfundamental C. S. Lewis: Key Components of Lewis's View of Scripture by Duncan Sprague. Sprague is a creationist himself, but he is a fan of Lewis. He does, however, critize Lewis for failing to declare Genesis as historical. On this, Lewis is plainly the more expert in literature and the more sensible in recognizing that historicity is not the point or the focus.
Lewis regarded the bible as showing a progression from myth to history. Thus early Genesis he regarded as "folktale" and the flood as "legendary", but Jesus as fully historical. Quoting C. S. Lewis's Theology by James Townsend:
In his books Lewis amplified on his understanding of the Bible’s inspiration: "The earliest stratum of the Old Testament contains many truths in a form which I take to be legendary, or even mythical . things like Noah’s Ark or the sun standing still upon Ajalon," while in the New Testament "history reigns supreme." Elsewhere he wrote, "The first chapters of Genesis, no doubt, give the story in the form of a folktale . " Referring to the notion that "every sentence of the Old Testament has historical or scientific truth," Lewis admitted: "This I do not hold, any more than St. Jerome did when he said that Moses described Creation ”after the manner of a popular poet’ (as we should say, mythically) or than Calvin did when he doubted whether the story of Job were history or fiction." Again, Lewis penned: "The Old Testament contains fabulous elements" which would include "Jonah and the Whale, Noah and his Ark, . but the Court history of King David is probably as reliable [historically] as the Court history of Louis XIV."
Note that Lewis also disagrees with the notion that Genesis has always been read simply as history in the past. Ancient scholars also could recognize the use of myth and poetry and other literary forms. In short, Lewis is no support for your perspective at all.
Cheers -- Sylas

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