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Author Topic:   RESURRECTION : THE EVIDENCE (+ Apostolic Martyrdom considerations)
Loudmouth
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Message 87 of 233 (91775)
03-11-2004 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Cold Foreign Object
03-11-2004 10:49 AM


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There is no avoidance, the only avoidance is the refusal to agrue from that which I already have posted. If no person can refute from what I already said then this reveals the dishonesty in ones intent.
Let's use a little analogy, shall we. Pretend that we are playing poker. At the end of betting I claim that I have 4 aces. Without showing my cards I start to sweep up the chips in the middle of the table. You cry out "Prove that you have 4 aces." I shout back "Prove that I don't". You can't prove that I don't have 4 aces, so do I win the pot? According to your logic, I do.
The burden of proof is on the person who is making the claim. We don't argue about the earth being flat or round because the evidence is readily found and known to most people. However, the question about the deaths of the apostles is not widely known and the evidence is subjective, not objective. I really think that the burden is on you, WT, to show the evidence. The fact that you are not doing so seems to indicate the weakness of your evidence. This weakness will be assumed until you actually provide this evidence.

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Loudmouth
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Message 192 of 233 (94194)
03-23-2004 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Cold Foreign Object
03-23-2004 3:34 PM


WillowTree,
Matthew 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
This seems consistent with: day 1, crucified and died, placed in the tomb; day 2, in the tomb; day 3, raises from the tomb. On the third day would be Sunday if the body was buried on Friday. Unless you want to claim that the scriptures are mistaken, you seem to be in a quandry.
From my understanding, the Roman soldiers were thinking of breaking Jesus's legs so that he would die sooner. This was because sunset was approaching and the Sabbath would begin at sundown. However, Jesus died just before sundown. This means that he died on Friday, just before sundown. Doing my own math, Friday just before sundown to Saturday just before sundown is 24 hours. Saturday evening to Sunday morning is another 12 hours. The bible is claiming that Jesus was in the tomb for 36 hours, not the 72 hours you are claiming.

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