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Author Topic:   RESURRECTION : THE EVIDENCE (+ Apostolic Martyrdom considerations)
Trixie
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Message 116 of 233 (92261)
03-13-2004 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Cold Foreign Object
03-13-2004 4:06 PM


Evidence for martyrdom
Most of this thread has been taken up with asking you for the evidence on which you base your assertion that all the Apostles were martyred. Since you are using this martyrdom to "prove" that Jesus was the Messiah, then if the martyrdom didn't happen, your bit of evidence for Jesus being the Messiah disappears down the plughole. I would appreciate some help here. Can you tell me your sources for the martyrdom of the Apostles? Why hide your light under a bushel?

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3705 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 118 of 233 (92271)
03-13-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Cold Foreign Object
03-13-2004 4:31 PM


Re: Evidence for martyrdom
I don't need to "settle" the Resurrection, I already believe it happened. Have you forgotten that I am a practicing Chrstian? I am asking you for the evidence on which you base your statement that EVERY Apostle died a martyr's death. You have said that this fact proves that Jesus was the Messiah. All I'm asking for is evidence that this fact is indeed fact. You see, if you have evidence which strengthens the idea that Christianity has been right all along about Jesus being the Son of God, then it is your duty as a Christian to spread that truth. If I had evidence which was as strong as you claim, then I would be shouting it from the rooftops. I would be "witnessing" Jesus as the Son of God. The Apostles weren't hiding their light under a bushel - Jesus sent them all out to spread the Gospel and that's why they were martyred, according to you. So, if I had the evidence, I wouldn't be telling people to "go look for it themselves". If people come to us Christians with questions about our faith and why we believe then we should be prepared to help them to come to the same place. I certainly wouldn't say "If God has chosen you, you wouldn't need to ask that, so I'm not telling". I let God judge people, it's not my place to do it. Maybe God does hide the truth to revent some people being converted, but I'm not God and neither are you so surely it's not up to us to hide the truth? If the early Christians had used your logic, Christianity would have died out at the start because the whole thing would have been kept secret, just in case someone who God didn't want enlightened actually herad the message. I thought Jesus came to save ALL of mankind, not just a few.

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