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Author Topic:   What you want to know about Christ.
Phat
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Message 7 of 300 (428191)
10-15-2007 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by gen
10-14-2007 2:45 AM


gen writes:
This thread is intended to answer anyone's questions about Jesus, the Bible and Christianity in general. I don't claim to have all the answers, I just want to provide answers through God's Word to those who are searching. Please don't argue in this one, because you won't change my beliefs, no matter what you say.
Your first sentence will instantly stereotype you as a fundamentalist who refuses to respect other peoples experiences. This will, in turn, cause a lot of people to question whether or not you actually have any answers that they can use.
For now, I'll start.
I need answers to the following questions:
1) Why do you believe that the Bible is true? Is it because of what you have been taught, what you have experienced, or what you have chosen to believe as an anchor to your chosen beliefs?
2) Is Jesus alive today? If so, why is it so hard for some people to accept this?
3) If somehow, all of the Bibles on earth vanished, would God still be able to speak to His people? Who are His people? Does God love everyone or only those who love Him?
gen writes:
I have grown up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I went to a Christian school, and I do read the Bible and pray often. I guess I met Jesus as soon as I could listen and understand, so I have learnt the Bible as I have grown up. That is not to say that I have never strayed from Him or done anything wrong. Following Christ means that you have accepted his gift of eternal life and his forgiveness, not that you are perfect. Romans 6:23 'For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.'
4) Had you grown up in India or China rather than America, would God still have chosen you? (Or do you believe that you were chosen? If not, my question is whether the children who grow up in other religions and cultures have the same chance that you have had to believe as you do.
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It seems the more learned a man is the less consideration he has for another man's belief.
Will Rogers
Many have quarreled about religion that never practiced it.
--Benjamin Franklin
It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it.
--Gilbert K. Chesterton

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Phat
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Message 146 of 300 (429738)
10-21-2007 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Fosdick
10-21-2007 11:14 AM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
HootMon writes:
Where did he get his Y chromosome? Not from Mary, that's for sure; she never had any. And not from God either, since He doesn't have any chromosomes (unless you have a Biblical citation on this).
This is a Faith/Belief Forum. For you to insinuate that the Creator of all that is seen and unseen couldn't produce a Y Chromosome is ludicrous at best. The Virgin Birth is a faith based event, to be sure. There is no natural explanation for it.
Gen wants us to focus on the humanity of Jesus and there is no proof as to how He originated or if He even lived. I maintain that the emotional passion concerning this man by others..be it intense love or intense hatred....is itself a valid assertion for His existence or at the very least the power of His legend.
Few figures in History arouse such ambivalent emotions in others.

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Phat
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Message 157 of 300 (430080)
10-23-2007 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by nator
10-23-2007 9:06 AM


Re: Doesn't He already know me?
Nator writes:
So, how can I tell the difference between a real spiritual experience with Jesus/God and one I've imagined, or one that the Devil or a demon has caused to happen but makes me think is really from Jesus/God?
As to telling the difference between the experience being from God or arising within ones conscience is irrelevant.
There are some basic differences that are generally agreed upon.
  • Selfishness versus Selflessness
  • Exalting oneself versus Humbling oneself
  • critical of others versus introspective of oneself
  • Having to be right versus willing to be wrong
  • Proud and Haughty versus Humble
    Of course, we can argue the reasoning behind this list. i just wanted to get it started.

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    Phat
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    Message 159 of 300 (430094)
    10-23-2007 11:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 158 by nator
    10-23-2007 10:58 AM


    Re: Doesn't He already know me?
    Nator writes:
    Are you saying that someone couldn't have an imaginary experience that has all the characteristics you listed?
    If you believe that people can imagine a good life with good behavior without any need of a God Led impartation, I won't argue the point.
    Your original question was how, hypothetically, we could tell the difference between God and a demon as pertaining to influencing human behavior.
    Some believe that Gods Spirit is Gods imagination and that He desires that we commune and allow His Spirit to live through us. The original sin folks would argue that our own human imagination is vain and self serving.
    I see where you are saying that our own human idealism and self driven imagination could, of itself, be altruistic, selfless, and humble (without need of a god).
    If so, again, I won't argue with you.
    An imaginary experience could be very real. Depends on whose imagination we are talking about!

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    Phat
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    Message 208 of 300 (431251)
    10-30-2007 6:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 200 by Archer Opteryx
    10-29-2007 12:55 PM


    Speculation about Jesus impulses
    Archer Opterix writes:
    Did Jesus remain celibate all his life?
    If so, what was his usual form of sexual release?
    None of us know matter of factly, but it is my preferred belief(which seems plausible to me) that Jesus did remain celibate all his life and that his form of release was sublimated from the physical to the spiritual. Perhaps the sublimated tension was the impetus for Him spontaneously healing or delivering another person through touch.

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    Phat
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    Message 211 of 300 (431292)
    10-30-2007 10:36 AM
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    10-30-2007 8:34 AM


    Re: Speculation about Jesus impulses
    Yes, but its just so base. Its not that Jesus couldnt do whatever He wanted....its the whole idea of duty to Father and mission in life sorta thing.
    I have no problem with Jesus being fully human and having human impulses. I would just like to think that if anyone could resist, Jesus would be able to do so.
    Perhaps He had nocturnal emissions......

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    Phat
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    Message 235 of 300 (431461)
    10-31-2007 8:18 AM
    Reply to: Message 234 by Archer Opteryx
    10-30-2007 10:46 PM


    Re: Speculation about Jesus impulses
    So are you saying that a celibate male can't have a nocturnal emission without fantasy?
    If so, it would tend to make Jesus as "sinful" as the rest of us.
    I always thought that unused sperm cells were simply reabsorbed by the body.
    He did pray an awfully lot, though.
    They never had porn in those days, so no idolatry was available. In conclusion, I believe that Jesus prayed instead of fantasized.

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