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What you want to know about Christ.

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GDR
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10-29-2007 2:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 199 by iano
10-29-2007 9:55 AM

Re: Convincing Evidence
Iano writes:
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- God attempting to draw a person to salvation. He is attempting to convince them of something. The person can resist this - unto damnation even. There is no need that the person be aware it is God attempting to convince them.
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- A person at the point of salvation and passing through it. From being a lost person to being a found person. Call it a change of state.
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- God takes up residence within the person. This includes demonstrating his existance to the person to their complete satisfaction.
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Just something for you to think about Ian. I don't see that being "Born Again" is strictly about being saved. Actually I think being saved for salvation as such is somewhat secondary.
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The main point I believe is that you become part of the "Kingdom of God" and charged with preparing the present creation for the ultimate "New Creaton". In other words we are saved for a particular vocation in this lifetime. Our task is to spread Jesus' message of love, mercy, justice and truth, and to implement these in the world to the degree that we can, with the help of the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus died for all, and although I'm not a universalist, I don't accept that new creation is just for those who took on the Christian vocation as a part of the "Kingdom of God" as established by Jesus through his life, death and resurrection.
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I believe that view is completely scriptural although I don't pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but that view is held by others who are Biblical scholars.
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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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GDR
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10-29-2007 9:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 205 by iano
10-29-2007 8:33 PM

Re: Convincing Evidence
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Abraham didn't believe in Jesus Christ - he just believed what God said and was 'saved' I suppose there will be many in the kingdom who have never heard of Jesus Christ
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I've only got a minute so I'll only respond to this statement. When Jesus talks about the "Kingdom of God" I believe that He was talking about the kingdom that he established with the Holy Spirit through His death and resurrection. The "Kingdom of God" is here and now, and is the new Israel.
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New Creation, with the coming together of our dimension, (for lack of a better term) and God's dimemsion in an act of re-creation, is something else again.
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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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