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gen
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Message 1 of 300 (428009)
10-14-2007 2:45 AM


This thread is intended to answer anyone's questions about Jesus, the Bible and Christianity in general. I don't claim to have all the answers, I just want to provide answers through God's Word to those who are searching. Please don't argue in this one, because you won't change my beliefs, no matter what you say.
gen.

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gen
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Message 3 of 300 (428020)
10-14-2007 5:15 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
10-14-2007 2:56 AM


Re: Jesus 101
I will allow people to present their own beliefs, I cant stop them, can I? They can have their own interpretations, but this forum is also mainly for their questions, which I will try to answer scripturally. I thank you for your input, advice and care.
gen.

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Message 5 of 300 (428187)
10-15-2007 6:58 AM
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10-14-2007 7:17 AM


Re: Jesus 101
I have grown up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I went to a Christian school, and I do read the Bible and pray often. I guess I met Jesus as soon as I could listen and understand, so I have learnt the Bible as I have grown up. That is not to say that I have never strayed from Him or done anything wrong. Following Christ means that you have accepted his gift of eternal life and his forgiveness, not that you are perfect. Romans 6:23 'For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.'

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Message 24 of 300 (428342)
10-16-2007 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
10-15-2007 7:55 AM


Phat writes:
1) Why do you believe that the Bible is true? Is it because of what you have been taught, what you have experienced, or what you have chosen to believe as an anchor to your chosen beliefs?
I believe in the Bible because of what I have been taught and what I have experienced, but most of all because the Bible itself says it is true.
'Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophets own interpretation. For propecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.' -2 Peter 1:20-21
'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' -2 Timothy 3:16
'Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.' -Psalm 119:105
'Every word of God is flawless, he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.' -Proverbs 30:5
Phat writes:
2) Is Jesus alive today? If so, why is it so hard for some people to accept this?
Yes, I believe that Jesus is alive and with God in heaven today. I believe he has been for almost 2000 years.
Matthew 28 writes:
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdelene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said...Tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead...You will see him.' Now I have told you."
So the women hurried away from the tomb...Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
...Some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened...The chief priests...gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep'..."
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they say him, they worshipped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me...Go and make disciples...batizing them...and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Mark 15:19-21 writes:
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up to heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
These texts assure that Jesus is alive. I think that people find this hard to accept because it is a miracle. Death has not, apart from Jesus raising others and himself, been overcome.
Phat writes:
3) If somehow, all of the Bibles on earth vanished, would God still be able to speak to His people? Who are His people? Does God love everyone or only those who love Him?
I highly doubt that all Bibles would vanish, but God spoke to people before the Bible was written, and still speaks to our hearts. God's people are anyone who believes in him. God loves everyone, but those who do not accept his gift of salvation cannot enter heaven, because they would not be happy there.
Phat writes:
4) Had you grown up in India or China rather than America, would God still have chosen you? (Or do you believe that you were chosen? If not, my question is whether the children who grow up in other religions and cultures have the same chance that you have had to believe as you do.
I didn't grow up in America, but thats beside the point. I believe God has a plan for everyone, but he gave us free choice so we don't have to accept it. Everyone is chosen by God for some task or another.
Romans 3:12-15 writes:
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness...)
Basically what this verse means is that those who don't know about Jesus through no fault of their own will be judged accordingly. This is because God is fair, He isn't asking us about things we have never been told.

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gen
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Message 25 of 300 (428343)
10-16-2007 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Brian
10-15-2007 8:26 AM


Brian writes:
Why do people accept Jesus as the Messiah promised in the Hebrew Bible, when Jesus didn't fulfill a single messianic prophecy?
Jesus does fulfull every prophecy about the Messiah! Please point out one that he doesn't.

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Message 26 of 300 (428344)
10-16-2007 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Chiroptera
10-15-2007 8:28 AM


I realise that my first post sounded a little aloof, for which I apologize. But I would like, in this thread, to answer people's questions about Christ and the Bible.
Chiroptera writes:
Change your beliefs about what? Why do you think anyone wants to change your beliefs, especially when no one here really knows what your beliefs are?
I believe the Bible is true, that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist as the Trinity, that God created the earth, that Jesus came to earth, was born, lived and died for us, that he was resurrected and lives in Heaven today.

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Message 27 of 300 (428345)
10-16-2007 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Stile
10-15-2007 3:49 PM


Re: Purpose
Stile writes:
What is the purpose of the Bible?
I believe that the purpose of the Bible is to convey God's word and truth to all humans in all generations.
'Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophets own interpretation. For propecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.' -2 Peter 1:20-21
'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' -2 Timothy 3:16
'Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.' -Psalm 119:105
'Every word of God is flawless, he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.' -Proverbs 30:5
These Scriptures support my answer. Yes, this thread can include questions about the Bible itself.

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gen
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Message 28 of 300 (428346)
10-16-2007 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Taz
10-15-2007 5:51 PM


Taz writes:
Would Christ have condoned the extermination campaign by the Israelites on the Canaanites? For example, and specifically, would Christ have condoned what the Israelites did to the people of Jerico?
I believe Christ was with God in heaven when God told the Israelites to drive out the Canaanites. Rahab, in Jericho, was saved because she was kind to the Israelite spies who came to Jericho. Although this is before the invasion of Canaan, when Sodom was burnt to nothing God gave his people fair warning and even promised to spare the city if there were 10 good people living there. God always provides a way out for his followers.

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gen
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Message 29 of 300 (428347)
10-16-2007 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by nator
10-15-2007 6:10 PM


I don't know that much about Jewish festivals, but Jesus was crucified on the Friday, after the feast of Unleavened Bread. I'm not sure if that was the end of the Passover, or if it went on for longer after that, but he was definitely crucified during or after the Passover.

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Message 30 of 300 (428348)
10-16-2007 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by bluegenes
10-15-2007 6:48 PM


bluegenes writes:
Would Jesus have been in favour of torturing people to death if they worked on the Sabbath?
No! The original commandment about the Sabbath is this:
Exodus 20:8-11 writes:
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor you animals, nor the alien withing your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Pharisees added a lot of pedantic laws to the Ten Commandments. These include only being allowed to walk a certain distance on the Sabbath, and not being allowed to pluck grain from a field to eat on the Sabbath.
Mark 2:23-28 writes:
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man or Lord even of the Sabbath."
Jesus also healed on the Sabbath on at least a few occasions. He did observe the Sabbath, but ignored a lot of the extreme pedantic laws enforced by the Pharisees. The Sabbath is still meant to be a time of rest for all. It shouldn't be a chore, but a joy. Jesus was not in favour of killing people for 'working' on the Sabbath.

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Message 31 of 300 (428350)
10-16-2007 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
10-15-2007 7:33 PM


jar writes:
You also need to understand that there is not one Old Testament God but many.
There has always been only one God. All the others are fake, not real.
Exodus 20:3 writes:
You shall have no other gods before me.
[qs=Exodus 20;4,5]You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them...

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Message 34 of 300 (428353)
10-16-2007 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by iceage
10-15-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Why is Faith a Good Thing.
iceage writes:
Why does your belief system place so much importance on believing things without evidence? Does it sound reasonable that the creator of the universe would really value such "faith" and why?
I am sure you believe things that you have not seen with your own eyes, such as the fact the world is round, the earth is so big, and the sun is so big. (I'm not sure exactly). There are thousands of examples of faith, and I believe that, in many cases, the Bible can be, and is proven.
'Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.'(I can't remember the reference, but its in the Bible).
iceage writes:
Why in the world would you not want to change your beliefs? I think being able to change your beliefs as more information or a better understanding comes available is good and healthy. Shutting out the possibility of changing ones beliefs is a sure fire sign of a defense mechanism is in ploy. Those who crucified Jesus also refused to change their beliefs.
As I have stated earlier, I now realise my first post sounded slightly aloof, for which I apologise. But, unless God gives me reason to, I will not stop believing in him or his word, the Bible.

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Message 37 of 300 (428357)
10-16-2007 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Brian
10-16-2007 6:32 AM


Brian writes:
Micah 4:1 In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
Did Jesus fulfill this basic messianic prophecy?
That prophecy is obviously about the end of time, not the time of Jesus coming.

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Message 38 of 300 (428358)
10-16-2007 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by bluegenes
10-16-2007 6:35 AM


Re: Experiences?
bluegenes writes:
What were the experiences that backed up what you have been taught? What kind of experiences would confirm the belief that this universe was created by an entity who shows particular interest and favouritism towards one middle-eastern tribe?
An experience with the Holy Spirit is something that you cannot explain fully to someone who has not had one. Sometimes it is just the feeling of pure joy inside of you, or a feeling that God is just there. God is not 'an entitly who shows particular interest and favouritism towards one middle-eastern tribe', He is the only God (see Exodus 20 3-6) and he has an interest in every human being, all 6billion of us, on this planet, as he has throughout the ages.

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Message 39 of 300 (428359)
10-16-2007 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Brian
10-16-2007 6:46 AM


Brian writes:
Yahweh's insatiable thirst for blood
God does not have a thirst for blood. He created all humans, he is the giver of life. He has the right to take it away. He has also given us free choice.
Brian writes:
Jesus threatens the pharaoh by saying that the firstborn of Egypt will die if the pharaoh doesn't let the Hebrews go, Jesus then hardens pharaoh's heart making it impossible for him to allow the Hebrews leave. So why did Jesus manipulate the situation to allow Him to slaughter thousands yet again, which obviously included new born babies and elderly men and women?
The Pharoah used his free choice to keep the Israelites in Egypt. Jesus did not harden his heart. He always promised to let them go if the plague was taken away, but always went back on his word. Little by little, God had to perform plagues that would hurt the Pharoah more closely. He eventually had to resort to killing the Pharoah's own son, because nothing else would capture his attention.

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