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Author Topic:   Why is Faith a Virtue?
jar
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Message 3 of 294 (334401)
07-22-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chief Infidel
07-22-2006 6:53 PM


Why do you think anyone believes Faith is a Virtue?
Why do you believe that "faith-based beliefs even more of a virtue when held despite evidence to the contrary?"

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jar
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Message 10 of 294 (334423)
07-22-2006 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Chief Infidel
07-22-2006 9:49 PM


Huh?
I'm saying that to believers, faith, despite evidence, or in spite of evidence to the contrary, is stronger than faith which has not been tested.
I know you are saying that, I'm just not sure what that means?

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jar
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Message 56 of 294 (334653)
07-23-2006 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
07-23-2006 9:04 PM


Again, you are avoiding the question.
The Bible is a historical novel, reporting on myths, folktales and events by storytellers and taken as such by millions of believers through the centuries.
Personally I don't see how Faith itself can be a virtue or a vice anymore than running or jogging or eating can be considered virtues or vices. It is the validity of a given belief and the behavior of individuals in a given situation that determine whether it is virtue or vice. For example the Faith of Christians during the 60's-80's that lead to the White Flight from the cities and the creation of the thousands of Avoidance Schools would be considered a vice IMHO. Todays Christian Faith that leads folk towards Biblical Creationism or YEC is a vice and ultimately a disservice to all the kids it will effect. The Faith that lets Christians support oppressing other folk just because they happen to be homosexual is no different than the Faith that led to expelling the Jews from Europe, burning witches or the Inquisition.
On the other hand the Faith that the universe is orderly and understandable, that GOD is not a liar or trickster as portrayed by Fundamentalist Christians is IMHO a virtue. The Faith that we will be able to one day cure many of the remaining deseases and defects that plague mankind is a virtue. The Faith that led artists to create wonders like the Great Cathedrals , that inspires acts of sacrifice or kindness is a virtue.
Faith is neither vice or virtue. What is done can be either.

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jar
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Message 248 of 294 (335792)
07-27-2006 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by robinrohan
07-27-2006 4:22 PM


How can you say that with a straight face Robin?
Non-believers do that with secular morals too--or at least they appear to. They are sometimes mighty passionate.
After all the threads where almost Everyone was telling you that morals are subjective you can make a claim like that? Amazing.

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