EvC Forum: Why is Faith a Virtue?

Email This Thread

Newer Topic | Older Topic

Author

Topic: Why is Faith a Virtue?

ringo

Member (Idle past 430 days)

Posts: 20940

From: frozen wasteland

Joined: 03-23-2005

Normal Thread Display

Message 5 of 294 (334416)
07-22-2006 9:31 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Chief Infidel
07-22-2006 6:53 PM

Unfortunately, many people who trumpet about "faith" have no idea what faith is.

quote:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, things that have not happened yet. When something does happen - i.e. there is evidence that it happened - then faith becomes obsolete.

Faith is not an excuse for hand-waving away what has happened or has not happened (e.g. the "flood").

Faith is the evidence of things not seen. It's a backup plan. If you don't see it yet, you can still have faith that it will happen.

Faith is not closing your eyes and saying, "I do, I do, I do believe in spooks!" when you know bloody well there are no spooks.

Faith is not a virtue. It's just the best we can do in some circumstances.

Edited by Ringo, : Punctuation?

Edited by Ringo, : Shpelling.

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
	Message 1 by Chief Infidel, posted 07-22-2006 6:53 PM		Chief Infidel has not replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 11 by AnswersInGenitals, posted 07-22-2006 10:03 PM		ringo has not replied

ringo

Member (Idle past 430 days)

Posts: 20940

From: frozen wasteland

Joined: 03-23-2005

Normal Thread Display

Message 126 of 294 (334906)
07-24-2006 2:49 PM

Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
07-24-2006 2:30 PM

Re: Wow

Faith writes:

it is quite possible that my judgment is rather good and has in fact identified the truth.

quote:
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
	Message 123 by Faith, posted 07-24-2006 2:30 PM		Faith has not replied

ringo

Member (Idle past 430 days)

Posts: 20940

From: frozen wasteland

Joined: 03-23-2005

Normal Thread Display

Message 219 of 294 (335448)
07-26-2006 11:55 AM

Reply to: Message 217 by LinearAq
07-26-2006 8:32 AM

LinearAq writes:

Satan had to believe in God yet he is obviously NOT an automaton.

Actually, that's exactly what the Satan of the Bible is - an automaton, a servant of God, a slave with no free will of his own. Satan is an "aspect" of God, if you will, not a separate entity.

So, is Satan's faith in God a virtue?

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
	Message 217 by LinearAq, posted 07-26-2006 8:32 AM		LinearAq has replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 220 by LinearAq, posted 07-26-2006 12:04 PM		ringo has replied

ringo

Member (Idle past 430 days)

Posts: 20940

From: frozen wasteland

Joined: 03-23-2005

Normal Thread Display

Message 222 of 294 (335455)
07-26-2006 12:18 PM

Reply to: Message 220 by LinearAq
07-26-2006 12:04 PM

Re: Servant?

Y'know, I deliberately put in my take on Satan to soften the on-topic part of my post:

Is Satan's faith in God a virtue?

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
	Message 220 by LinearAq, posted 07-26-2006 12:04 PM		LinearAq has not replied

ringo

Member (Idle past 430 days)

Posts: 20940

From: frozen wasteland

Joined: 03-23-2005

Normal Thread Display

Message 223 of 294 (335456)
07-26-2006 12:25 PM

Reply to: Message 221 by iano
07-26-2006 12:07 PM

Re: Full Circle

iano writes:

... it seems that Gods revealing of himself in unbidden fashion leaves a man no choice but to go insane. Perhaps thats why God doesn't do it.

I seem to recall a certain burning-bush incident....

Moses seems to have misunderstood the obligation to go insane.

Not to mention Adam, Enoch....

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
	Message 221 by iano, posted 07-26-2006 12:07 PM		iano has not replied

Date format: mm-dd-yyyy

Timezone: ET (US)

Newer Topic | Older Topic

Do Nothing Button

3 online now:	PaulK, Tangle, Zucadragon
Newest Member:	popoi
Post Volume:	Total: 916,332 Year: 3,589/9,624 Month: 460/974 Week: 73/276 Day: 1/23 Hour: 0/0