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Author Topic:   Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness
onifre
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Message 23 of 224 (497562)
02-04-2009 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cedre
02-04-2009 3:19 AM


Hey Cedre, I have a question, what's this thread about, Christianity...?
Are you just using the forum to preach or do you have anything worth presenting as evidence for "the love of God through his grand ways"...?
From the quote that moose provided from the other thread you are basically saying, "look at nature, there it is, Gods love". Is that what you are trying to say...?
By the time this thread has lived up to its goal all will be in awe of his grandeur and nobility but most importantly his LOVE for humanity.
So you're saying this forum and this thread will achieve what churches, pastuers, preist and our parents have failed to achieve...?
Yet be warned this is not inherently meant to be a scientific debate though some elements of science may crop up in the discussions from time to time
Let me guess, you'll accept only what you say as true science but reject any opposing view point.
This is chiefly a theological debate but everyone's welcome to participate; be that as it may, not that I discourage opposition viewpoints I will encourage curious folks to spend less time finding fault and more time reading about the greatness of God as it unfolds on their screens and asking questions where they fail to understand or beg to differ.
This is contradicting, do you want a debate or do you want people who agree with you who have curious questions about your beliefs...?
To start this debate I would like to hear some personal viewpoints about God's greatness, please start posting.
This makes no sense. "Lets start a debate by everyone telling me how they agree with me".
I predict this thread fails miserably at achieving what you feel it's going to reveal. You are not saying anything that pastuers, preists or any other religious person has exhasted themselves saying already. Hope you got something to show Gods grand love other than "look, lightning, isn't it magical, wow God is love".
- Oni

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 92 of 224 (497874)
02-06-2009 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Cedre
02-06-2009 9:34 AM


Re: Modulous
Hi Cedre,
What is your point exactly? God has no choice but to be moral, that way we can depend on him to be always a good God. His very nature has strong ties with morality the bible syas that God is love so it has been with him all along, he doesn't fish it out from another authority, it has always been with him just as his power has.
I assume then from this statement that you have read the bible in full and upon completion of reading said text you felt that God, overall, is good.
From that, it can then be assumed that you used your own personal ability to judge texts and determine their moral value, right...?
Now, with that in mind, couldn't it equally go the opposite direction, couldn't we also read the bible in full, using our ability to judge texts as you did, and determine that it holds no moral value...?
Would God then punish those to eternal hell who simply judged these 2000 year old texts to be of no moral value...?

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 94 of 224 (497902)
02-06-2009 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Rahvin
02-06-2009 1:51 PM


Please, please argue that "God" exists outside of the universe independantly of time and space. I double-dog-dare you.
I'll take it one step further, by-passing the double-dog and going straight for the jugular by triple-dog-daring him!

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 131 of 224 (498097)
02-08-2009 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Dawn Bertot
02-08-2009 2:30 AM


Re: Modulous
If a man wants to complain about the God of the Bible and his actions, atleast let him understand what the Bible has to say in its entirity about that God.
There is a cleasr inconsistency between the moral actions of the God of the OT and the God of the NT, whether or not it was OK for God to be inconsistent does not take away the inconsistancy.
We know the bible claims that God...
Bertot writes:
only know what is RIGHT, MORAL AND JUST.
But, the only people who believe that are believers of that particular God. So, to you what he writes is not inconsistent because, as you claim, he can do as he pleases. But, to us there is no such person to be able to desolve the inconsistencies so, when comparing the the 2 texts as a nonbeliever, it is inconsistent.
Like the inconsistencies that Christians find in other religions texts. The inconsistencies would be removed by those Gods being able to do as the please also, but when you read it you can still clearly see the inconsistencies in the texts.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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