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Author Topic:   Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness
Capt Stormfield
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Message 17 of 224 (497474)
02-04-2009 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Cedre
02-04-2009 9:05 AM


However say you lived your life exclusively of God and die only to confront a God who penalises sinners, you'll have a lot to be sorrowful for. Give this thought your earnest consideration.
Oh good. Pascal's wager.
"Nice place you got here. Be a shame if something happened to it."
I like it how an aspiring young "good fella" (or should that be "God fella") skips all the extraneous small talk and gets right to the point.
Here, enjoy a Danish. The envelope will be by the till tomorrow. Word to the wise though, I hear the mob from back east is moving into the neighborhood. You might want to be careful who's insurance policies you're selling, know what I mean, kid?
...listen to what your gut is telling you, I'm sure if you only cared to listen closely to it you'd hear it telling you to succumb to God and his way of righteousness.
Yes, I'm sure if everyone just thought about it they'd think like you. Gee, why hasn't someone brought up these brilliant and persuasive arguments before!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Capt.

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Capt Stormfield
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From: Vancouver Island
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Message 112 of 224 (497993)
02-07-2009 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Peg
02-06-2009 8:51 PM


this argument shows that our minds cannot comprehend some things about eternity
This seems to be an odd point to raise when it is you who repeatedly attempts to use the argument from incredulity. Like you said, your mind cannot comprehend everything. Therefore it seems safe to assume that your incredulity about the universe is a poor basis from which to explain it.
we assume that everything has a beginning because that is what we see in the natural material world
So you're saying that life, which is clearly natural and material (if you wish to argue this, please allow me to drive an entirely material wooden stake through your head and then we'll discuss it at greater length), had a beginning. Life from non-life. That is known as abiogenesis.
All you have to do to end it is disrupt the chemistry with a stick. Ergo all you need to do to start it is mix together some chemistry with a stick. Or absent a stick, a random eddy near a thermal vent.
Capt.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 113 of 224 (497995)
02-07-2009 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Peg
02-06-2009 8:57 PM


scientific knowledge confirms that life does not arise from non living material
This is completely wrong. Scientific knowledge has confirmed that the mechanism of life is quite ordinary, and that the kinds of chemistry involved can arise in naturally occurring circumstances. We can dissect the machine, see the working parts, and confirm that the machine quits working when the physical, material parts are disrupted. Simply moving the material apart a couple inches turns it from living to non-living. Same stuff, just not stuck together right. No invisible parts required.
The bible says that 'with God is the source of life' It acknowledges a lifemaker... it says that he created life on earth. So yes, there was a time when there was no life on earth, then God created it.
Then we are agreed. Abiogenesis took place on earth. If I claimed that 7 gods were required to cause it, would you accept that? I think not. Why not? Because your claim explains it without the need for 6 of those gods. Well here's a news flash: Since we understand the chemistry that defines life, and have plausible explanations for how it might have arisen through the natural behavior of the stuff from which the universe is made, god #7 isn't required either.
To paraphrase a old standby: If you can understand why life doesn't need 6 extra gods, you should be able to understand why it doesn't need any.
Capt.

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