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jar
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Message 100 of 196 (448401)
01-13-2008 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by nator
01-13-2008 10:05 AM


God creates Evil
Of course the Bible says that God creates Evil.
quote:
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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jar
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Message 108 of 196 (449118)
01-16-2008 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Granny Magda
01-16-2008 7:02 AM


on getting to heaven
Let us suppose that she leads a good life and goes to heaven.
That is all anyone can be expected to do.
Don't worry, no one is born damned and you don't have to earn your way into heaven. All that crap is just stuff Christian marketers use to keep the money coming in and the flocks in line.
You don't even have to believe in God, you are not damned; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Satanist, Taoist, Hindu, Buddhist, all will be welcomed in heaven.
Just try to do the best you can.

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jar
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Message 111 of 196 (449124)
01-16-2008 6:49 PM
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01-16-2008 6:39 PM


Re: on getting to heaven
It's the only position that makes any sense. The God that so many Christians try to peddle is so evil and petty that I cannot imagine anyone tolerating her, certainly nothing anyone could love. The idea of a God that creates someone who is saved if they will jerk his finger like the one ICANT created is so evil that I cannot imagine such a picayune bling-bling pimp daddy creating this universe.
The God ICANT and Buz and so many others create and peddle though IS economically valid and as profitable as snakeoil.

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jar
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Message 114 of 196 (449144)
01-16-2008 7:57 PM
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01-16-2008 7:39 PM


Re: on getting to heaven
Yeah, that is a common marketing ploy. Very sad.
In the words of a priest and friend, "Hell? Oh hell, fuggitabutit!"
If there is a hell I imagine it is more like remedial class in humanity, a chance for those who tried to sell exclusivity to learn how silly they were.

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jar
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Message 137 of 196 (449557)
01-18-2008 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by ICANT
01-17-2008 11:40 PM


Salvation is a done deal!
You need to understand how a pardon works. Once a pardon is granted, you do not have the choice to turn it down. It is a done deal. It is not something you get to accept or reject.
The message is "No one is damned. There is no Original Sin. You don't have to do anything more than honestly try to do your best."

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jar
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Message 140 of 196 (449575)
01-18-2008 11:54 AM
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01-18-2008 11:48 AM


Re: Salvation is a done deal!
Guess what, when it comes to heaven and the requirements for entry the only opinion that counts is God's
Right, and according to God, the Christian God, it is a done deal. Done for all mankind. No need for belief, no need for profession. Unless that is, your God is Evil.
see Who can be saved? A Christian perspective.
Edited by jar, : add link

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jar
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Message 148 of 196 (449696)
01-18-2008 7:31 PM
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01-18-2008 7:17 PM


Re: Salvation is a done deal!
No worries. See, I don't worship an Evil God.

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jar
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Message 181 of 196 (449918)
01-19-2008 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by ICANT
01-19-2008 1:37 PM


Do Biblical Christians read the Bible?
No place in the Bible says your eternal destiny will be determined by your actions. If so give me book chapter and verse.
Matthew 25 is pretty damn explicit about just that.
quote:
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
"45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
; not only is that pretty clear but it is also clear that the Goats will be followers, Christians, while the sheep will likely be Non-Believers.

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