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Author Topic:   the underlying assumptions rig the debate
jar
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Message 10 of 246 (322194)
06-16-2006 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
06-16-2006 8:32 AM


Re: Yes it's possible
I don't know why anyone thinks this could be a reasonable argument. It allows anyone to argue, "Well, that may be what the evidence says, but that's not what actually happened because the evidence was changed, and no trace was left behind of the change."
It has other even more practical implications.
I believe that my car will stop because the last time I stepped on the brake pedal that was what happened. Unless the evidence of that was just inserted and it was not the break pedal but the accelerator that I stepped on last time.
The medicine that the doctor is prescribing for me was shown to be three times as effective as a placebo. Unless of course that wasn't really the results of the test and the placebo was actually far safer.
The assumption that the past changed (the reality of the past, not what we know of the past) is one of those ideas that must simply be rejected and thrown away if there is to be an progress whatsoever.

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jar
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Message 121 of 246 (323052)
06-18-2006 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by randman
06-18-2006 9:11 PM


Re: still no substance from you here
I have been unable to find that quote from Wheeler, but rather only places that quote Paul Davies wrote in his 1987 book Other Worlds claiming that Wheeler said that. The actual links I have found seem to believe that the quote is incorrect or exagerated and totally outlandish.
1.07 But this uncontentious portrayal of the wave function (Heisenberg's "probability function"), as it was passed from one commentator to another, became more and more sensational and outlandish. Paul Davies is one of the more rational writers on scientific topics, and yet he could write in 1987,
from Quantum Mechanics.
Do you have a link to something that shows that Wheeler actually said that? I can find lots of links, mostly from crackpot sites, that quote Davies but where is there one actually quoting Wheeler?

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