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the underlying assumptions rig the debate

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Larni
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06-16-2006 7:16 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by randman
06-14-2006 4:16 PM

Event horizon
Randman writes:
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If one assumes the system can be affected as a whole, and that non-linear causality is possible, then it is not a fact that death preceded the creation of man.
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If death was added to the system and the entire sytem attained a new system state you would need something unaffected by the system state change to recognise the new state/old state difference.
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What do you propose that is?
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The system state change would be an event horizon would it not?
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This would preclude any information from the old system state being carried over to the new.
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No one would know.
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Larni
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06-19-2006 9:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by randman
06-17-2006 5:08 PM

Re: Event horizon
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Well, in my thinking, I actually think death was a latent ingredient in the system ans so perhaps that was not most precise description I gave earlier, but if we are talking about the Bible, regardless, God is something unaffected on one level by the system. He is an unchanging Substance.
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Then is it fair to claim the Bible is a record of the system change?
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Larni
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06-19-2006 10:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 45 by Iblis
06-18-2006 2:24 AM

Re: more on delayed-choice experiments
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The photon is always a wave, it is always a particle, it always enters through both slits, it only proves itself to be a particle AFTER it has demonstrated in one way or another that it is also a wave.
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Does this mean it is a wave until it gets messed with?
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Damn fine challenge try to keep up with this one.
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Larni
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06-20-2006 7:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 188 by Iblis
06-19-2006 8:43 PM

Re: more on delayed-choice experiments
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Without the detector, it happens at the back wall.
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Aha! The fog clears.....
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Thanks mate, I knew the bare bones of the split light experiment and had been seduced by 'teleporting' and such like.
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Thanks for putting me straight, I will take 'New Scientist' with a pinch of salt .
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