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Author Topic:   Where/how do believers draw the line and why?
jar
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Message 31 of 88 (434323)
11-15-2007 12:15 PM
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11-15-2007 12:10 PM


Topic
Because "The thread asked why believers accept certain things. Why you accept things is irrelevant." See Message 27.

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Message 32 of 88 (434325)
11-15-2007 12:26 PM
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11-15-2007 12:11 PM


Re: Just So Stories
Spektical writes:
What is the popular interpretation of this story?
Some people believe it really happened and some don't. Since it isn't a very unusual incident, nothing miraculous about it, there's no particular reason to say it didn't.
This isn't Sunday School. If you have a point about the Cain and Abel story, please make it. I'm not much inclined to waste my day trying to wring a meaningful post out of you.
Don't make me lose the smilie.

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Message 33 of 88 (434327)
11-15-2007 12:30 PM
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11-15-2007 12:15 PM


Re: Topic
And I am not personally satisfied with that response jar.

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jar
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Message 34 of 88 (434328)
11-15-2007 12:32 PM
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11-15-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Topic
That's fine. There is no requirement that you be satisfied with the various responses, only that folk attempt to actually answer the topic of the thread.

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Message 35 of 88 (434329)
11-15-2007 12:32 PM
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11-15-2007 12:26 PM


Re: Just So Stories
fair enough.
The popular belief of the story is about the relationship with God and the choices the 2 brothers made. However, the story is really about survival.

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jar
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Message 36 of 88 (434333)
11-15-2007 12:38 PM
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11-15-2007 12:26 PM


Re: Just So Stories
Some people believe it really happened and some don't. Since it isn't a very unusual incident, nothing miraculous about it, there's no particular reason to say it didn't.
Actually it is simply part of the description of different political and geographic clans, and part of the defining of a peoples and their places and relationships.

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Message 37 of 88 (434334)
11-15-2007 12:42 PM
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11-15-2007 12:32 PM


Re: Just So Stories
Spektical writes:
The popular belief of the story is about the relationship with God and the choices the 2 brothers made. However, the story is really about survival.
You're still missing the point of your own thread. Nobody cares what you think the story is "really about".
Where do you think believers draw a line? Tell us what believers think. How has that story "caused the many sects within the primary faith itself"?

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Message 38 of 88 (434336)
11-15-2007 1:20 PM
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11-15-2007 12:42 PM


Re: Just So Stories
That was my contention to begin with ringo....are you gonna contribute something of your own or just describe what I said?
Phat was really the only person who had the response I was looking for. The point I'm trying to make is that these stories are taught to us by the immediate adults who we grew up with. They taught these stories with love and conviction, so we learned it as love and conviction. Its a euphoric state no-one ever wants to challenge. However, euophoria is a fake blanket of security.
I know that Phat and other christians believe what they believe because they think it makes them better. But how does a person decide to be rational about certain things and irrational about others? Why has not a single person taken up the challenge of introspection....not a contextual one, REAL introspection?
Edited by Spektical, : No reason given.

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Message 39 of 88 (434338)
11-15-2007 1:33 PM
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11-15-2007 1:20 PM


Re: Just So Stories
Spektical writes:
That was my contention to begin with ringo....are you gonna contribute something of your own or just describe what I said?
I'm asking you to support your contention.
So far, you haven't shown any lines drawn by believers between the literal and the non-literal. You've just given your opinion of how certain texts "should" be interpreted.
Give us an example of a text that some believers take literally and some don't, such that different sects result. Then we can get down to the "why".

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Message 40 of 88 (434341)
11-15-2007 2:22 PM
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11-15-2007 1:33 PM


Re: Just So Stories
Ok...the unitarian sect and catholic one.

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Message 41 of 88 (434347)
11-15-2007 3:17 PM
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11-15-2007 2:22 PM


Spektical writes:
Ok...the unitarian sect and catholic one.
What about them?
Where do believers draw a line that causes some of them to be unitarian and some catholic? Where are they making a distinction between literal and non-literal in the Bible?

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Message 42 of 88 (434348)
11-15-2007 3:20 PM
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11-15-2007 3:17 PM


Do you know what unitarianism is?

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Message 43 of 88 (434350)
11-15-2007 3:25 PM
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11-15-2007 3:20 PM


Spektical writes:
Do you know what unitarianism is?
I'm not going to play silly one-line games with you.
I asked you for a text that supports your OP. Answer the question, or at least back up your claims in some meaningful way.

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Message 44 of 88 (434353)
11-15-2007 3:35 PM
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11-15-2007 3:25 PM


nah ringo, you are wasting my time. Go read up what unitarianism is or stop responding to my posts. I don't need your help in articulating my point.

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jar
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Message 45 of 88 (434355)
11-15-2007 3:41 PM
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11-15-2007 3:35 PM


Is there a point?
You have asked "Where/how do believers draw the line and why? " and at least one believer has answered you.
So is there some point?
Have you read Message 6?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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