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Author Topic:   How Do Scientists Believe in God and Evolution?
Libmr2bs
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Message 16 of 145 (467619)
05-22-2008 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wumpini
05-04-2008 6:26 PM


If one believes that God has dictated every wave of a leaf in the wind, they have lost the true nature of God. Much is recorded in the Bible that our religious leaders aren't able to explain. John records that many went around performing miracles. Moses throws his rod down and it becomes a snake that eats the snake that was the rod of the Pharoah's magician. Miracles?
Scientist can only theorize on the birth of the universe. Fossils are found but the best we can do is form a timeline of events that happened long after the creation of the earth. A problem doesn't occur until arguments ensue about something that isn't even dealt with in the Bible or scientist insist that something that is in the Bible could not have happened. If the universe was created from nothing why couldn't God have been?
We argue in our ignorance of the things that might or might not have been. The only benefit we obtain is the exercise of the gray material in our craniums. Jesus often tested his apostles.
I am interested in why you don't feel that scientist can believe in the existence of God and whether you arrived at your conclusion independently or basing your conclusion on the interpretations of others. You may find that you already know the answers to the questions you asked.

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Libmr2bs
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Message 29 of 145 (467849)
05-24-2008 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Wumpini
05-24-2008 8:01 AM


Re: Scientists and Belief in God
I see. You don't want to know that the story of Noah is told in three different languages with the names and events very similar. You don't want to know that two preceeded the record presented in the Bible. You want to think the that Bible is infallible. Or is it what you've been told? Try to reconcile the following:
The following originated in a reply I penned in another forum on discussing the end times and what the Bible says or rather what the writers said. It goes against what many think about the end times and whether all scripture is God inspired.
Mark 13-
1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2 "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
From this we know that only four apostles actually heard the question and reply. Andrew has no passages in the Bible. James doesn’t address the subject in his writings. When one reads the works of these and others, Mark must have obtained his interpretation of the question and response from Peter. Luke and Matthew copied the work of Mark (see Misstatement section below). To obtain the best information regarding the subject, one must turn to writings of John and Peter. John and Peter are consistent that Jesus will return on a cloud and separate the good from evil. Peter says that God will destroy the earth. Where did the rest of the tale come from? Peter says:
2 Peter 3-
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
Mark 13-
26 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
30 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
And John says:
1 John 2-
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
What was the subject of discussion - the destruction of the temple and not the end of time as the Christian Church teaches. By following the most reliable scriptures one can easily reach this conclusion. Finally, all events that Jesus predicted did occur before the end of the generation when this context is used. The relevancy of Revelations has nothing to do with prior writings and its inclusion is being questioned by believers.
Misstatement:
Matthew 24-
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Mark 13-
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Luke 21-
32 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Note here that Heaven is singular and not plural. The plural form refers to stars, sun, moon, etc. If Heaven passes away, what then? Where will Christians go. From this we find that the text in Luke and Matthew came from Mark - not God.
Even though I understand that men make mistakes, I accept that the Bible was written by fallible men to provide God's guidance for our lives. In thinking such I commit myself to the same banner as the men whose writings I cited - I am fallible. I understand that you may not agree that you might be fallible. If the knees of your pants are without cloth you may be.
Edited by Libmr2bs, : No reason given.

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