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Author Topic:   Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)
jar
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Message 126 of 302 (315753)
05-28-2006 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by mike the wiz
05-28-2006 10:23 AM


But I've discovered that this is not really a truth; the TRUTH is that we don't want to have a tough time so we reject faith because it's too hard to accept that God is there, if we're having a tough time.
What???????????????
That has all the characteristics of a Yogiism. LOL
Google that one.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 210 of 302 (316341)
05-30-2006 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM


on Questioning.
In college they seem to present a case against God.
If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite.
There seems to be dogma asociated with atheism, but they will never openly admit to it. When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.
How so?
Would a Christian education not ask the person to question whether GOD exists? I well remember Father Cantler getting us to prove that GOD did not exist, and then to refute that position. A belief unchallenged is weak and untempered.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 241 of 302 (316542)
05-31-2006 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by ohnhai
05-31-2006 10:10 AM


Well...Yes and No!
Ohnhai writes:
The majority of Atheists would honestly state:
I Freely admit that my belief in the non-existence of the God/s could be wrong. As I can’t prove 100% their lack of existence it would be dishonest of me to say other wise. Though I firmly and resolutely BELIVE that the God/s do NOT exist, IF I was to come across some evidence that was UNDENIABLE, that proved the existence of the God/s then I would have to re-adjust my world view accordingly.
You would be hard pressed to get the majority of Theists to honestly state:
I Freely admit that my belief in the existence of the God could be wrong. Though I believe God to exist, it would be dishonest of me not to acknowledge as a human I am not infallible. Though I firmly and resolutely BELIVE that the God/s Do exist, IF I was to come across some evidence that was UNDENIABLE, that undermined his existence, then I would have to re-adjust my world view accordingly.
I absolutely agree that you have outlined the two great statements that highlight the gulf between two peoples. It is also a general statement since you can substitute evolution for GOD or Flat Earth for GOD or any other strongly held belief and the division still remains.
I do disagree though with the statement that it would be hard to get the majority of Theists to agree that is found in your second paragraph. Theists too are often capable of reasonable, rational thought and acknowledging when we got it wrong.
The big difference between the Theistic and Atheistic positions is that the Theists, if right, have a BIG bonus that the Atheists can never have.
If the Atheists are right, when the Theist dies, that is it, there is just nothing afterwards.
BUT... if the Theist is right, we get to stand there at the Pearly Gates to welcome all our Atheist friends and say "Told you so!" I have already signed up to be on CrashFrog's welcoming committe and have a place set for him at the great fish fry and BBQ.

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jar
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Message 280 of 302 (316736)
05-31-2006 9:40 PM
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05-31-2006 9:27 PM


Re: Well...Yes and No!
All Good Atheists welcome in Heaven, didn't you know? We gonna have all the brothers, all the good Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Satanists, Wiccans, Taoists, Mulsims, Jews, Hindus, all the folk that make a great hoedown. It will be a great day, good food, good friends and damn few fundie Christians.

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