Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)

A continuation of this thread:
Why Atheists don't believeOk, ready for this one?This quote from jar sparked a thought in my head, and I will try to explain it to you. I will agree that most atheists are pretty reasonable, ok no prejudice here, now on with it.Why should they believe? Well the bible clearly states, that it is faith that gets you your evidence.I am going to make the claim that atheism is a belief, and here is why.You have a thought, you express the thought, someone can choose to believe it or not. We went over that in the previous thread. Some atheists take some things on faith, without evidence, or checking on the evidence.Now the thought is God. You can choose to believe it or not. You can look for evidence, and you may find none. You may find only subjective evidence. But either way, you have chosen not to believe in God.This does not mean there is no God. We are only unable to prove His existence objectively.So you have chosen to believe there is no God. You cannot prove that there is no God, so it is a belief. A belief backed by lack of empirical evidence, fine.Let's reverse roles. You are trying to convince me that there is no God. I say to you prove it. You can't.The only way you could be a true atheist, is if you have never heard the word God, and you have no inner feeling that there is one. The thought has never crossed your mind.I hate it when an atheist tries to portray himself as someone like that, when it is just not the case.There is more to the thought, it goes on to the mathematical possibility of God, but I guess I should stop it here.Edited by AdminNWR, : fixed link ([thread=-14,1406] in place of [thread=1406] )

Rodger that.I figured it was covered already somewhere, but since the first part went pretty well, and it was in the coffee house, I just figured I continue it there.But I guess I switched gears on it a little.

Sure it's enough, I can relate to that, but that makes it a belief.

I have heard all too many times atheist complain, "well if God exists, then He should come down and show us, and maybe correct all the mistakes of the world, blah blah"I used to complain the same thing.The bible is factual evidence, because He did come down and show us how to do it, we as a race, have just choossen not to.To me it is more than just anecdotal evidence, it has become fact in my life, but you will call it subjective. That is exactly what I said. You reject or accept it. (although it's not as simple as that) so you have made a choice to believe in something else. After learning what I have learned, through the bible, and teachings of the Holy Spirit, I disagree with you. note: I hate superstitions. You cannot qualify that statement. Non-belief just doesn't seem to happen, because no matter what society, there is some kind of God. At some point people were born believing there is something out there.
You were not born like this(default position of non-belief), you were shown some choices, so you cannot be an atheist. If you were never shown these choices, and you did not think something was out there, then you'd be an atheist.

To me I find nothing subjective about Jesus promising us the Holy Spirit, and me recieving it. You've said this about a bazillion times on this forum. So back it up.
You can't prove it, so it's nothing more than your belief. Or you haven't sought after Him enough. He is there, you just don't see Him. It's all there waiting for you.It's aparent in your responses, when you say things like "your god". It's not my god that you need to find, it's your God. See, you look for God in religions, a big mistake IMO.
Obviously scientology is not where you will find God.

Welcome randy to the forum! ??? This seems to be a prgramed response about whether God exists or not. IT's getting tiresome. You'll have to do some more reading in these forums, as we have covered topics like that.It is plainly obvious why santa doesn't exist and to refer to it is childish. Like santa. Thank you, that is the response I was looking for. Define reality. Who said anything about voices?One thing I think we can all admit to is that we seek the truth.
We are born that way. Another pre-programmed response that they must teach in college these days. I can hate, I am human. That is an illusion, and an immature response. Don't pretend to me, or any other "religious person" because I hate religon. The possibilities that we exist are slim and none, but we are hear.Do like the evolutionist do, and just throw the term "millions of years" and you have an answer for anything. While it is "plainly" obvious how long the universe has been around, what was here before it, and what evolved into God as we know it? Look how far we've come in just such a short time. We are little gods.
Why can't God be a possibility? That's a piss poor exuse to not believe in God, I won't accept it. We are not gods, we are just like you. Ah, but have you ever wondered?

Then everything is subjective as we can only look at things through our own mind, even tests performed outside of our minds. Why? Being a "true christian" does not make any of us Jesus.
The variations are because we are all different people, plainly obvious. Jesus was one person, Son of God, the only "true Christian" IMO.I put myself on the same level as you, because ultimately, I just don't know what will happen in the end.

SEeking God's guidance and approval may be different that what you think it is, and you may be doing it already.I like your attitude.

Again, I am saying this is not a default position.Would you agree that we are all born seeking the truth?

Not only lack of belief, but an inability to prove that God doesn't exist.

Ask you a question. Since time travel may be a possibility, or at least going back in time...
So you die, your consious ceases to exist.
Someone goes back in time and there you are!!
How can this be?Edited by riVeRraT, : typing errorEdited by riVeRraT, : typing

I will not judge the terroist, but ask yourself, do you need a book to tell you that was wrong? Faith is you.

This is just not true.They recieve the label fictional, because of just that.

I disagree with that.In college they seem to present a case against God.
If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite.There seems to be dogma asociated with atheism, but they will never openly admit to it. When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma. I agree.

When?If you can travel back in time and see it, then it always exists. That makes us eternal.How can you bring back to life what is already dead? ????I was only presenting going back in time, since it seems to becoming a reality. Going forward in time, may also be a reality, and would be part of the same logic.