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Author Topic:   Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)
ramoss
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Message 17 of 302 (314878)
05-24-2006 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by fallacycop
05-24-2006 11:24 AM


Re: Eyes wide shut
If you defined redness at light between certain wavelengths, then yes, redness is an objective concept.
How people SEE red is a different matter. Some people are color blind though.

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Message 109 of 302 (315619)
05-27-2006 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by iano
05-26-2006 4:15 PM


Re: Athesism vs. Anti-theism
Then.. you will abandon your belief in Jesus, and follow Vishnu Brahma and Shiva then.
Because, if you are wrong about Jesus, then, Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva will be very very angry at you.
Or, Yhwy will punish you for being an idolterer.
Or if Islam is right... well.. we must not forget that.
The whole 'pascal's wager' concept is logically flawed.

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Message 110 of 302 (315620)
05-27-2006 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by mike the wiz
05-27-2006 10:43 AM


The atheist is the one who rejects God in his own mind.
How can you 'reject' something that does not exist?

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Message 111 of 302 (315621)
05-27-2006 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by mike the wiz
05-27-2006 10:48 AM


There are a number of reasons I know that believers have given up their belief in god/gods. The major one was the inconsistancy of what various people say God is/demands. The next one is the lack of objective evidence that there is any god/gods/goddesses. Still others have rejected god/gods because of the hypocrasy/bigotry of the churches they grew up in.

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ramoss
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Message 127 of 302 (315755)
05-28-2006 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by iano
05-27-2006 7:41 PM


Re: Insurance Policy
Of course, you are basing your concepts on a set of books that you claim, without any objective evidence, to be a blueprint of what God is going to do.
However, for someone who does not accept the authority of the Gospels for being 'the word of god', your statement is meaningless.
And just because someone does not agree with the Gospels doesn't mean that they are not familar with them, or do not understand them.

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Message 203 of 302 (316312)
05-30-2006 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 1:37 PM


To me I find nothing subjective about Jesus promising us the Holy Spirit, and me recieving it.
Can you show me physical evidence that this holy spirit exists, and you have received it? If not, then your experiance is entirely subjective.
Or you haven't sought after Him enough. He is there, you just don't see Him. It's all there waiting for you.
It's aparent in your responses, when you say things like "your god". It's not my god that you need to find, it's your God.
Can you show physical proof that 'God' actually exists except from outside your feelings, and the circular arguement of 'god created everything, something exists, therefore god'? reasoning?
If not, then it is subjective, not objective.

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ramoss
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Message 204 of 302 (316314)
05-30-2006 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:07 PM


Re: The utility of language
Can you prove that little green lepracuns don't exist??

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Message 205 of 302 (316315)
05-30-2006 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by PaulK
05-30-2006 2:37 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
Opps.. resonding to wrong person
Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.

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Message 206 of 302 (316316)
05-30-2006 2:52 PM
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05-30-2006 2:23 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
In college they seem to present a case against God.
If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite.
I would love to see the course syllabus where the 'presented a case against God'. That seems to be a statement that can not be substantiated.

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Message 244 of 302 (316557)
05-31-2006 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Dogma in college
No, that is not clear at all. That is not my experiance at all either.
In a secular college, unless it is a philosphy class, or a comparison religion class, God is not generally mentioned one way or another.
An occational teacher might or might not mention god one way or another, but you won't find any reference to god on the syllabus.

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Message 266 of 302 (316700)
05-31-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by riVeRraT
05-31-2006 3:44 PM


Re: Why the default position is as it is
Why not? Not being able to believe in any deity means you do not believe in a diety, which is the definiton of the word 'a-theist'.

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