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Author Topic:   Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)
RickJB
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Message 7 of 302 (314833)
05-24-2006 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-23-2006 7:37 PM


riverrat writes:
So you have chosen to believe there is no God.
I'm quite comfortable with the fact their might be a God, so I guess that would make me an Agnostic. But either way, if God's existence cannot be shown objectively and all natural phenomena can be explained otherwise then there is sufficient grounds to simply disregard Him as a factor.
For me, my lack of faith has less to do with whether God exists and more to do with how I relate to Him. I, for one, don't believe IN God insofar as I seek neither His guidance or approval.

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RickJB
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Message 18 of 302 (314881)
05-24-2006 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by iano
05-24-2006 9:20 AM


iano writes:
Objective enough to convince you - if not everyone else.
You mean subjective evidence, then.

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RickJB
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Message 72 of 302 (315244)
05-26-2006 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by iano
05-26-2006 5:48 AM


Re: no objective redness comcept available
iano writes:
Not even objective reality. Which whilst possibly being the case kind of short circuits the discussion.
It short circuits ANY discussion. It's one of your favourite tactics! ;-)
One might as well assume that we discuss "reality" as it presents itself to us. Any other speculation is ultimately pointless.
iano writes:
Does that make it non-objective?
No.
Edited by RickJB, : Typos.

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RickJB
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Message 77 of 302 (315256)
05-26-2006 8:29 AM
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05-26-2006 6:58 AM


God has no wavelength!
iano writes:
Not all are in a position to be observers. But that doesn't mean the object is not objective.
Yes, but if you mean to imply that because you are in a position to "observe" God in your thoughts this makes him an objective reality then you're on very shaky ground. Even if you find another believer there's no way to know that you are talking about the SAME god. It's the "colour problem" again!
Now science can get around the "colour problem" by talking about wavelengths of light. Even with differing types of units, the relative scales can always be discerned (like a with a ratio, for example - 1:3).
God, on the other hand, has no wavelength!
Edited by RickJB, : Typos.

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RickJB
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Message 80 of 302 (315285)
05-26-2006 10:04 AM
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05-26-2006 9:12 AM


Re: no objective redness concept available
iano writes:
Millions of others do too.
How do you know you're all talking about the same God?

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RickJB
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Message 83 of 302 (315319)
05-26-2006 11:09 AM
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05-26-2006 10:16 AM


Re: no objective redness concept available
iano writes:
I haven't actually compared notes with all the others to know objectively.
That's because you can't. All you will get are subjective, non-falsifiable opinions.
iano writes:
You don't necessarily have to go out into the field and do all the 'science' yourself in order to to be sure of that which you state to be the case.
No, but somewhere up the chain someone will have, and their observations will be falsifiable.

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RickJB
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Message 296 of 302 (316818)
06-01-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by riVeRraT
06-01-2006 10:07 AM


Re: Why the default position is as it is
riverrat writes:
I think your statement falls under this part: An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion,
As by your own admission: This is an open and painfully honest statement of my belief
Dead wrong.
1. Ohnhai has not claimed any authority for his position.
2. Nor is he closed to the possibility that he might be mistaken.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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