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Message 467 of 794 (887360)
08-01-2021 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Tangle
09-23-2020 6:42 AM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
Hello Tangle. You said:
Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can
be preserved.
This is simply an evolution vs. creation issue. The
observable science actually supports creation.
Evolution does nothing for science, and science
does nothing for evolution.
It is observable science (since recorded history) that
an animal will have offsprings of the same kind. The
same goes for humans. Human mothers will always
have human babies.
Professors cannot give an observable example where
one animal evolved (macro) into an entirely different
kind of animal.
You are free to believe in your fairy tale, if you wish, but
that is called blind faith, not science.

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Message 469 of 794 (887364)
08-01-2021 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Tangle
09-23-2020 6:42 AM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
Hello Tangle. You asked:
Explain why a god (God) that loves you will also
torture you.
There is no burning in hell (Gehenna) for eternity.
The Bible does teach eternal punishment, but not
eternal punishing. There is a huge different.
Our only two options are diametrically opposed to
each other. One is eternal life; the other is death.
Those now dead know absolutely nothing. They
possess no knowledge, wisdom, nor awareness.
Those who suffer the second death will be aware
of nothing for eternity.

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Message 471 of 794 (887367)
08-01-2021 10:47 AM
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08-01-2021 10:09 AM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
Professors who preach that evolution is a fact
should put up or shut up.
Observable science supports creation. Animals and
humans produce their own kind.

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Message 472 of 794 (887369)
08-01-2021 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by ringo
08-01-2021 10:45 AM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
You said. Not to the punishee.
Did you mean punisher?

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Message 475 of 794 (887372)
08-01-2021 11:49 AM


There is no fossil record. There is just piles of
bones that were deposited in great heaps by a
global flood.
Also, "gradual evolution" is not observable.
"Kind" of animal reproducing the same "kind"
is observable--again, again, and again.
This is exactly what I expect. After all, God
stated matter-of-fact that kind would produce
the same kind. He was right.

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Message 479 of 794 (887376)
08-01-2021 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by PaulK
08-01-2021 12:47 PM


Paul, you can say it over and over again, but it doesn't
make it true.The fossils do not support evolution.
Fossils are piles of bones that were deposited in great
heaps by a global flood.
Let me tell you a little secret: fossils do not come
With tags on them, stating how old they are.
A worldwide flood would sort many of the fossils into
size and density before depositing them.
In any event, the bottom layer would contain fish fossils.
Above these would be amphibians, then reptiles
(Including dinosaurs). Above these would be birds
and mammals, including humans.
This last group would be on the highest ground;
Thereby, assuring that they would be last to die.
And, less likely to be covered by sediment, which
would leave minimal fossils.
Fossils are open to interpretation. Observable
Science (kind of animal reproducing the same
Kind of animal for all of recorded history) is not.
We have now observed that many dinosaur
fossils have significant amounts of C-14 in
them. Being generous to a fault, C-14 should
be undetectable after 100,000 years.
Instead of changing their beliefs to fit the facts,
evolutionists insist that iron is responsible for
the C-14 amounts, even after 75,000,000 years.
Evolution is faith-based, and a really weird one
at that.

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Message 482 of 794 (887381)
08-01-2021 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by dwise1
08-01-2021 4:16 PM


I know how carbon dating works.
Isn't it amazing that evolutionists try to
convince us of what happened tens of
millions of years ago, and they get
offended when we aren't gullible enough
To believe them.
If I can observe something, such as "kind"
reproducing the same "kind," then I can
accept that.
BUT, if I am being asked to believe that
variations in a "kind" can over long periods
of time turn one "kind" into a totally
different "kind," I won't do it.
Darwin observed finches with different size
beaks, and like an idiot, jumped to the
conclusion that this, in a way, proved
evolution.
How long do you think I would have to wait
for my 24 speed mountain bike to evolve
into a Harley?

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Message 489 of 794 (887395)
08-02-2021 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 487 by Coragyps
08-01-2021 10:23 PM


Bicycles have as much of a chance of reproducing
as a human mother has of giving birth to a crow.
In any event, couldn't a bicycle evolve into a
Harley if we allowed it tens of millions of years
to do so?

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Message 490 of 794 (887396)
08-02-2021 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 486 by ringo
08-01-2021 9:39 PM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
I'm not making excuses for God. He needs no excuse.
If you do not wish to be given eternal life, then so be it

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Message 492 of 794 (887400)
08-02-2021 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by dwise1
08-01-2021 6:08 PM


Re: Let It Go, Phat! Do Something Useful For Yourself
Dwise 1.
You have a rather long post, and I have a small
cellphone. I would prefer you to make much
smaller post if possible, even if it requires a greater
number of posts.
Isolation leads to a loss of information; this
is not evolution.
You still make the assertion that minute changes
over millions of years will create a different "kind"
than the parent "kind."
This is not provable. In fact, it is impossible to
prove this. It is not observable. And, it takes
an enormous amount of faith to do believe this.
All evolutionists believe in the same fairly tale.
It begins like this: "long ago and far away."

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Message 494 of 794 (887402)
08-02-2021 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by dwise1
08-01-2021 6:30 PM


C-14 decays into N-14.
The half life of C-14 is roughly 5700
and some-odd years.
This is why I stated that after 100,000
years (probably closer to 50,000) no C-14
is detectable in fossils. The soil has nothing
to do with this.
It is ludicrous to believe that significant
amounts of C-14 is still present in 75,000,000
year old fossils, regardless of the soil or the
presence of iron in the soil.

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Message 719 of 794 (894818)
05-30-2022 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 708 by ringo
05-27-2022 1:17 PM


Re: JarThink
Ringo, you call believing in God a fantasy. Yet, God
commands those who truly seek Him to prove
everything.
Blind faith is worthless.
The Bible contains many prophecies; some have
already been fulfilled, others will soon be fulfilled.
There are more than 50 specific OT prophecies
about Jesus that have been fulfilled in the NT.
Some Biblical scholars insist that the actual
number is better than 300.
For the sake of brevity, I will mention just eight.
A mathematician friend at Murray State (he teaches
Probabilities and Statistics) says that the probability
of just eight prophecies being fulfilled is 10 followed
By 17 zeroes.
I will cite the OT prophecy, followed by NT fulfillment.
Isaiah 7:14 born of a virgin Luke 1:35.
Micah 5:2 born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:4-6.
Psalms 78:1-2 teach in parables Matthew 13:34-35.
Isaiah 9:1-7 begins ministry in Galilee Matthew 4:12-17.
Isaiah 40:3-4 Christ preceeded by forerunner (John
the Baptist). John 1:23.
Isaiah 53:3 despised and rejected Luke 4:28-29.
Zechariah 11:12-13 betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Matthew 27:6-10.
Psalms 22:6 hands and feet pierced John 19:36-37.
My church was aware from 1951 that East and West
Germany would reunite. I realized this in the early 1980's.
Without a clear understanding of prophecy, I never
would have thought that the Soviet Union would have
freed East Germany.
We knew beyond a doubt that Britain would withdraw
from the EU. We also know that the EU will slim down
to just 10 nations (married in a sense to a powerful
universal church).
To know what is in store for certain nations today, it
is paramount that we identify who they were in
Biblical times.

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Message 726 of 794 (894838)
05-30-2022 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by dwise1
05-30-2022 12:48 PM


Re: JarThink
Dwise, the professor at Murray State based his
calculation on the eight predictions being correct.
To correctly predict these eight distinct events in
one's life, and to do so hundreds of years in advance,
is so difficult that the chances of being correct on
all eight account is 10 to the 17th power.
There is no mistake that the NT records the fulfillment
of these prophecies.
You might not believe that these prophecies were
fulfilled, or that they were even made. But, what you
believe has nothing to do with the probability of them
being fulfilled.
Most people, including Christians, believe that all
Israelites are Jews. And many have lost faith in
prophecies about Israel because they know this
small country in the Middle East cannot fulfill all
the prophecies about it.
Understand this: all Jews are Israelites, but most
Israelites are not Jews.
Jews are descendants of Judah. Although the
tribe of Benjamin was later incorporated.
The Jews was promised that the scepter would not
depart from them. Joseph's two sons Ephraim and
Manasseh received the birthright blessings as well
as the name Israel.
The last days prophecies for all tribes is in Genesis
49 and Deuteronomy 33.
The first place in the Bible where the Word Jew is
used is in 2Kings 16:5-7. The Jews are in a war
against both Syria and Israel.
The 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were
conquered by the Assyrians in 718 BC. The Southern
of Judah was conquered by Babylon in 586 BC.
A careful study of history shows that the Germans
(Deutchlanders) are present day Assyria.
As far as evolution goes, I was only getting assumptions
from people who insisted it was a fact.
I was debating with people who considered worms and
warthogs as distant family.
How can they even trust their minds/thoughts, which
are nothing more than mutations.

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Message 769 of 794 (897786)
09-12-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
06-23-2004 12:39 PM


Coffee, the Bible tells us when the end of this present
age will come.
Matthew 24:14 ..."and this gospel (good news) of the
Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The vast majority of Christian denominations say that
the gospel is being preached unto all the world right now,
but this is not true.
What is being taught is a gospel about Jesus, about His
life. Only a small fraction actually teaches the gospel
that Jesus Himself taught from the very beginning of
His ministry.
Mark 1:14 ..."Jesus came into Galilee preaching the
Gospel (good news) of the Kingdom of God.
The coming Kingdom of God was the great news that
Christ gave to us.
A Kingdom requires a ruler; subjects; territory; and laws.
Daniel 2:14 "and in the days of these kings (10 nations
ruled over by the beast and false prophet) shall the God
of heaven set up a Kingdom that shall never be destroyed,
and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it
shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand forever."
This is a future event. The Kingdom has not yet been
established, nor has the good news of its coming been
preached unto the entire world.
The two witnesses in Revelation 11 will for three and
one half years proclaim the good news of the coming
Kingdom to the entire world for a witness.
The world will not believe the two witnesses. They will
instead place their faith firmly in the human leader
(the beast) and false prophet (spiritual leader).
There are other signs that must be fulfilled before the
two witnesses appear on the world scene, but this is
the final sign.

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Message 775 of 794 (897867)
09-14-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 770 by ringo
09-12-2022 11:57 AM


Sorry to take so long to reply, Ringo.
It is extremely important to also add verse 33 when
we interpret exactly who "this generation" is.
33: "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
know that it is near, even at the door."
34: "Truly I say unto you, this generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled."
Read the entire chapter. It is an end-time prophecy.
At the time when this prophecy takes place technological
advances will be such that we could kill everyone on the
face of the earth. Read verse 22.
It is at the end of this "present age," when Jesus will
replace Satan as ruler of the earth. Jesus will at that
time set up His Kingdom.
However, when the great tribulation (which is Satan's
wrath) and associated events begin some alive at its
beginning will still be alive at its end.
End time events would not carry on indefinitely.
That generation would see see the arrival of the
specific three and one half period that marks the
end of this present evil age.
Notice Revelation 11. The two witnesses lie dead in
the street for three and a half days. Yet the entire
world sees them. The deceived population will send
each other presents to commemorate their deaths.
Only after the invent of satellite and media could the
world know that they were even dead.
The central theme of the entire Bible is that of the
coming Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is
the means by which God begins to save humanity.

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