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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
Hangdawg13
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Message 16 of 466 (118106)
06-24-2004 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
06-23-2004 12:39 PM


Christ said we will not know the day or the hour when he will come, but he did not say we will not know the year or the season. And he also said to watch for his return and not be taken by surprise.

Bible prophecy is something I do not spend much time studying, but search the internet for some research other people have done. I like Chuck Missler at www.khouse.org. My own pastor has covered revelation www.berachah.org/ www.raptureready.com has some interesting things to say. Tim LaHaye's into it, Hal Lindsey has researched it.

I'm sorry that I cannot list all of the prophecies with their references and explanations and how current events are lining up to fulfill them as this would fill a book or two.

A most recent example of current events lining up to fulfill a prophecy would be Babylon. Babylon's destruction was predicted by Daniel. There are five chapters in the old testament that talk about Babylon. Babylon is prophecied to be the headquarters for the antichrist and his one world government. Babylon is also prophecied to have great wealth and then be destroyed in one hour with arrows that have the discernment of a man and never miss their target and be uninhabitable afterwards. People out to sea will witness her destruction and mourn. The whole earth will be shaken from it's foundation.

Babylon is located in Iraq, which has recently become a free nation. During Sadaam Hussein's regime (BTW Sadaam liked to call himself Nebuchadnezzar II) he put lots of money into rebuilding of Nebuchadnezzar's palace and also building up the city of Babylon. In the years ahead, if Iraq is to hold out against all the terrorists that want to take it over, it will have to build up an infrastructure capable of seeking out and eliminating terrorists and probably call on the UN for help (eventually anyone could be labeled terrorists if it fit the govt's purposes... even Christians). The UN currently is dissatisfied with its headquarters in New York and would like to relocate. Some want to relocate to Babylon. The nature of Babylon's destruction fits a nuclear missile strike.

There are other more general signs that point to the end-times being soon such as the fact that technology has made the whole world capable of being ruled by one government. Ecumenism is the order of the day in most places. Israel is once again a nation. Jerusalem is a stumbling block for all the nations as predicted. We have a king of the North (Russia). A king of the East (China and oriental nations). A king of the south (Arab league). And a king of the West (EU + UN + eventual antichrist to unite all). Prophecies of weapons that do not make sense unless compared with today's smart weapons and nuclear weapons. Petra is said to be the refuge for the 144,000 remnant during Armageddon. For some reason the queen of Jordan is stocking the area with supplies. Antisemitism and anti-christianism is on the rise globally. Also, after the tribulation will be 1000 years of peace and perfect environment when Christ will rule on earth. If the Bible is correct, we are around the 6000th year of human history. Perhaps after 6000 years of "work" God will bring the "sabbath" rest for the last 1000.

Anyways... If you want specifics go to someone else who has done the research themselves. At least maybe this will help you know how us "fundies" are leaning.

Edited to add: It is also important to note that we observe how current events ARE LINING UP to fit tribulation prophetic events. We do not claim that the events of the tribulation are already upon us.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 19 of 466 (118116)
06-24-2004 12:56 AM
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06-24-2004 12:34 AM


This site is a monument to human stupidity throughout the ages. It does show one thing though. People everywhere have perpetuated the idea of an end-time. Where did this idea come from?

I also thought the very first thing, the clay tablet, was interesting. It dates to the year the Flood is believed to have happened. The state of affairs at the end times is said to be like those in the days of Noah.


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Hangdawg13
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Message 27 of 466 (118240)
06-24-2004 11:51 AM
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06-24-2004 4:39 AM


Well, I think many misguided individuals WANT the end-times to be very near as an evangelism tool or simply to get the hell out of this life and into a ressurection body! There is nothing wrong with an objective analysis of scripture and current events to see how they are lining up. Yeah Hal was wrong about some things. Maybe he's learned his lessons. I'm sure he can still come up with some good stuff though. Chuck Missler is my favorite prophecy expert.

Personally, I think the exit-ressurection (rapture) will happen no sooner than 7 years from now and no later than 60 years from now. And that could change as current events move towards or away from the situation predicted in prophecy. But even so, the rapture could happen five minutes from now or 200 years from now.

When the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit with all Christians are removed from the earth, things can get rolling very quickly. Satan will waste no time in implementing his final plans: first attempting to create a utopia with world peace to prove he is as great as Christ who will do this in the millenium; and failing at that, unbridled violence and destruction.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 30 of 466 (118249)
06-24-2004 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mespo
06-24-2004 11:57 AM


Re: ...and then what?
Well, during this thousand years of perfect environment where Christ and returning believers rule the earth, there will STILL be those who reject Him. During this time Satan and all his angels are removed from earth. At the end of the millenium they will be released for a short time and start a Gog/Magog revolution with those people who have rejected God. This rebellion will be immediately put down. Satan and all his angels and all who reject God will be thrown into the "lake of fire". We will sit back and watch as God will destroy the heavens and the earth by fire and create a new heaven and a new earth. Then what happens? God only knows.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 33 of 466 (118269)
06-24-2004 1:00 PM
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06-24-2004 12:38 PM


Re: ...and then what?
You will not get anywhere with me by trying to bash the Bible.

Sure, there will always be a great percentage of believers and people in any religion that inject their own subjectivity into their interpretations, or completely leave the original message all together in favor of their subjective opinions. There's a lot of goofy people out there that go nuts over the apocalypse.

How arrogant is it that the Christians will be the only ones to be accepted into Heaven? How arrogant that Christians will be taken up in rapture?

What's so arrogant about it? You can come too if you'd like to! It only takes some humility to quit fighting God and accept Him.


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Hangdawg13
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Message 92 of 466 (119725)
06-28-2004 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by pink sasquatch
06-28-2004 12:20 AM


Re: Matthew
The word "genea" translated this generation in some versions also means race nation or group of people. Since Jesus was talking to Jews it is assumed he meant that the Jewish race will continue existing even through the tribulation. That is what my Scofield and Clarke commentaries tell me.

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