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Message 476 of 794 (887373)
08-01-2021 12:34 PM
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08-01-2021 11:49 AM


There is no fossil record. There is just piles of
bones that were deposited in great heaps by a
global flood.
There never was a great flood. Doubtless, there were many small local floods, but never a great flood.
Also, "gradual evolution" is not observable.
We are observing it in real time, with COVID-19.

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Message 577 of 794 (887960)
08-27-2021 5:34 PM
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08-27-2021 4:26 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
But of course, you will say that I cant read and am making stuff up...
Or you are just repeating standard apologetics nonsense.
Atheism assumes that humans are untainted by any suggestion of a spiritual war(original sin) and that satan, as well as God, are simply human mythos and fully made up.
Atheism doesn't assume anything.
By the way, back when I was a Christian, I did not accept the doctrine of original sin. I saw that doctrine as making God out to be evil.

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Message 594 of 794 (887980)
08-28-2021 11:23 AM
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08-28-2021 3:18 AM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
What does it say about Christianity?
Christianity is supposed to be hard.
If you are not finding it hard, then you are not a real Christian.
Especially when you are actually convinced that He is real.
You are not convinced that he is real. If you were really convinced, you would be striving to follow his teachings. Instead, you argue against that.
You are a fake Christian. Martin Luther King was a real Christian. He fought hard to do the real stuff, spent time in prison, and was eventually assassinated. But your Christianity is fake. Most of American Christianity is fake.
Wake up. Stop trying to fool yourself.

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Message 603 of 794 (887991)
08-28-2021 9:28 PM
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08-28-2021 9:15 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
So how many other ways does Jesus portray me? Am I a rich young ruler who needs to sell all I have? Or am I a destitute son with no money who misses the life he had at his Fathers house?
You will have to work that out for yourself.
However, "Love thy neighbor" is supposed to apply to everyone. And the parable of the sheep and the goats (Matt 25) is intended for everyone. And those already demonstrate your failings.

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Message 607 of 794 (887996)
08-29-2021 12:30 AM
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08-28-2021 10:25 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Is it a sin to love my family and close friends and perhaps my country before I start loving everyone in S.America or Africa? Is that not basic human nature?
Aren't Christians suppose to strive to do better than basic human nature

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Message 636 of 794 (888053)
09-01-2021 2:08 PM
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09-01-2021 1:46 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
You guys have no problem with abolishing organized religion and letting what you would believe to be a fair and impartial government---be it national or even global---distribute from each according to his ability to each according to their need.
You are spouting right wing lies.
Stop listening to their propaganda.
I think I am Libertarian.
No, you are a fool blinding following what the propagandists are telling you.

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Message 639 of 794 (888056)
09-01-2021 2:46 PM
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09-01-2021 2:13 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
I do not want government control to be as overarching as it is becoming.
No, it is not becoming overarching. You are swallowing the bullshit propaganda that is being fed to you.

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Message 646 of 794 (888071)
09-01-2021 7:07 PM
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09-01-2021 3:36 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Do you want to hear a modern lie?
  • Inflation Is Transitory.
  • Some amount of inflation is unavoidable.

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    Message 647 of 794 (888072)
    09-01-2021 7:16 PM
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    09-01-2021 2:10 PM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking

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    nwr
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    Message 650 of 794 (888078)
    09-02-2021 1:16 AM
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    09-02-2021 12:45 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    That’s not entirely true - deflation is possible, at least in the short term.
    Agreed.
    I was oversimplifying. A perfectly stable currency is impossible, because there will be fluctuations elsewhere in the economy. And economists generally prefer a small amount of inflation to a small amount of deflation.

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    Message 655 of 794 (888084)
    09-02-2021 9:25 AM
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    09-02-2021 7:16 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    How do you know that all whom I listen to are conmen?
    I don't know that. But there's that old saying "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck."
    Is it the fact that most of them sell investments?
    No, there can be honest people selling investments.
    It is that actions speak louder than words. Their words say to buy gold, but their actions are to sell gold. They stand to profit if you follow their words. They are not disinterested advisors.
    Is it because I also (as you claim) fall for the Christian apologists...who coincidently are also *all* seen to be conmen?
    I don't think I have ever said that all Christian apologists are conmen. I don't doubt that there are some decent respectable Christians, and some of what they do might count as apologetics. However, the apologists that I most frequently encounter are thoroughly dishonest. They are using bad arguments -- lots of circular reasoning, for example -- and they are deliberately misconstruing events to support their causes.
    I honestly think we are in a spiritual war of sorts.
    What does that even mean?

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    Message 656 of 794 (888085)
    09-02-2021 9:37 AM
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    09-02-2021 7:30 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    I honestly think that there is a war of sorts going on in global finance between the US Dollar crowd (the United States and other reserve currencies linked strongly to the dollar) and the rising influence of China (which owns 3 times the gold they are attributed to have) and who may want to replace the US Dollar in the global driver's seat. And is it any coincidence that COVID happened shortly after Trump initiated a Trade War against China?
    It's nonsense.
    Money is a fiction. It is a useful fiction, but still a fiction. It is a proxy for what people value.
    China cannot wave a magic wand and suddenly make their currency supreme. What makes something a reserve currency is the collective wisdom of the wealthiest nations.
    The greatest risk to the US dollar is the USA Republican party. They have become a party of thugs, of terrorists, of traitors, of anti-Christians who pretend to be Christian. By virtue of their attacks on democracy, they are undermining confidence in the USA. And once USA loses credibility as a bastion of democracy, the US dollar will lose its potency.
    You vote for these evil people. You yourself are part of a concerted attack against the US dollar. And all because you are a gullible fool who easily falls prey to conmen.

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    Message 659 of 794 (888088)
    09-02-2021 11:56 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    I honestly think we are in a spiritual war of sorts.
    I'm amending my earlier comment on this.
    Yes you (not we but you) are in a spiritual war against yourself. And you are losing badly.

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    Message 666 of 794 (888096)
    09-02-2021 2:31 PM
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    09-02-2021 7:16 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    And how do you know that what you are taught by mainstream economic wisdom is in fact accurate or wise?
    I don't actually spend a lot of time listening to what economists say. I have better ways to spend my time than thinking about money.
    Yes, there are some people who do very well with investing. But they do their own careful research. They don't just buy into what the hucksters are selling. And, even then, they know that they will sometimes lose. They depend on having a good statistical picture so that the gains will exceed the losses. I would find that boring, so I don't get into risky investments.

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    Message 696 of 794 (894638)
    05-24-2022 5:01 PM
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    05-24-2022 3:15 PM


    Re: Steering Back Towaards The Topic
    What the Fed and the world seem to need to learn again is that humans cannot simply will the value of money through common agreement.
    I agree that there are uncertainties in attempting to set the value of money through common agreement.
    Attempting to go to a gold standard would be an attempt to set the value through common agreement. Somehow, you are blind to that.
    In today's world of banking, it is still the gold that directly or indirectly sets the bar for the value of the dollar...not the other way around.
    I do not see any evidence supporting this.

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