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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
ICANT
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Message 284 of 466 (877380)
06-14-2020 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by jar
06-14-2020 8:50 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Hi jar,

jar writes:

But have you read the text of the Rite? It is all about what we should do; to prepare for taking part, during participation and after we complete the Rite.
But then you may be using the term Holy Communion in the format of the Apologists in which case it is for YOU to explain what it is and why it is (or is not) necessary. No Apologist has ever been able to do so but give it a try.

I find very little you say that I agree with, but I have to agree that communion which I call the Lord's Supper is not necessary.

I also agree it is about the preparation to participate that is most important.

Let me give it a go as to " what it is and why it is (or is not) necessary." (jar).

First thing it was given to His disciples.

quote:
1 Corinthians 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.


This is a Church ordinance given to the Lord's Church, as the apostles and disciples were the only ones present when it was observed for the first time.

In the above verses Paul teaches the Church at Corinth how they are supposed to partake of the Lord's Supper.

The first thing they were to do was to judge themselves. If there was sin in their life they were to repent, and ask forgiveness before taking of the Lord's Supper. I call it the "Lord's Supper" because He instituted this particular event.

To answer your question, "what is it?" It is an event started by Jesus about 15 hours before He was nailed to the Cross. That is supposed to be observed in remembrance of His death, burial, and resurrection. There was no set time or amount of times it was to be observed. It was to be done only in remembrance of Him, as often as we did it.

Paul told them many were weak, sick, and some dead because they had partaken and were unworthy to partake.

At our Church we celebrate Easter every First Day of the week, as that is Resurrection Day. But we do not partake of the Lord's Supper every week.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 285 of 466 (877381)
06-14-2020 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by jar
06-14-2020 2:42 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Hi jar,

jar writes:

We don't say that a source is unnecessary; we say that the source is irrelevant and it is the CONTENT that is significant.

Then the CONTENT of what is significant?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 286 of 466 (877383)
06-14-2020 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
06-14-2020 12:53 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

Maybe so, but I don't see Jesus and God as two separate entities.

You are made in the image of God. You have a mind, body, and Spirit.

God the Father=Mind (all knowledge).
God the Son=God in a physical body.
God the Holy Spirit= Spirit.

So yes God has 3 different manifestations making Him a triune being.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 288 of 466 (877386)
06-14-2020 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by jar
06-14-2020 5:29 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi jar,

jar writes:

The CONTENT of any message

So where could I find a source for Biblical doctrine CONTENT that would be accepted by you?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 290 of 466 (877400)
06-15-2020 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by jar
06-15-2020 7:28 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi jar,

jar writes:

I very much doubt that YOU could.

That was my conclusions as you have your own source in your mind.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 295 of 466 (877413)
06-15-2020 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Phat
06-15-2020 6:12 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

This is another support for your beliefs.

Not support just an excuse.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 310 of 466 (877451)
06-16-2020 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Phat
06-15-2020 10:44 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

Pastoir ICANT, I dont fully support Young Earth Creationism even if the apologists argue that its Bibloica

I can't support Young Earth Creationism at all.
The only thing they teach that I can support is that "God did it", which is a conclusion on their part.

Modern Young Earth Creation was invented by Ellen G. White in the 1800's after she had been hit on the head by a rock and was in a coma for 2 weeks. It is not supported by the Bible.

I have argued with YEC"S here and on two other websites and no one has ever presented a scripture that supports their belief.

They are just like the people who want to claim the universe is 13.5 billion years old, they have no supporting evidence . If the universe had a beginning to exist 13.5 billion years ago, and there was no existence before the universe began to exist, then where did it come from. Best answer given until this date is "We don't know". Then the argument goes on but we know what we believe and it has to be so.

I did a search last night and found that they are still no closer to an answer than they were when I started posting on EvC 12 years ago.

In fact the origin of the universe is classified as one of the most mysterious events that has ever occurred.

There are more than 17 of those mysterious events in which no evidence is available to support the assumptions that have to be made to introduce them.

No one knows how old the Universe is. Not scientist or religious people.

Phat writes:

but I DO support the Virgin Birth, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and the belief that Jesus is very God of God.

That is the basis to start a life like Jesus lived. That is only the beginning but sadly for many they never grow and further. Because they do not study God's Word.

Phat writes:

What puzzles me is why people are either so supportive or so dismissive of this belief.

Why does that surprise you? There are only two kinds of people in the world. People who have accepted God's offer of Eternal life and those who have not. God gave mankind a choice. So mankind either believes God and accept His offer or believes the lie that the devil sold to Eve in the Garden that she would become like God knowing good and evil. Every since them many have chosen to believe the devil and be their own god deciding what is good and evil for themselves.

I would like to address the question in the OP as well as how I know God exists.

I know that God exists because He saved me and I am no longer what I used to be.

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quote:
Could someone please enlighten me as to when the end-times will come and how you came to that conclusion?

No one knows when the end will come but God. The angels don't even know.

But we can know some events that will take place just prior to the end of time as we know it.

We will have a world government.
It will be ruled by one man.
He will solve the middle east problem and make a pack with the Jews to rebuild the temple.
After a period of time he will break that pack and stand in the doorway to the Holy of Holies and declare himself to be God. Within 42 months the end will come.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 318 of 466 (877499)
06-16-2020 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Phat
06-16-2020 3:00 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

but in my spirit I feel as if we all are learning here.

My experiences here has caused me to do a lot of deep study that I would probably never have done had I not found EvC.

Phat writes:

Stephen Hawking claimed that the universe can and will create itself out of nothing.

I don't think Stephen Hawking made that statement. I do believe he said I think the universe was spontaneously created out of nothing, according to the laws of science.

He an Hartley came up with an 'instanton' because in a vacuum there are particles that appear and disappear spontaneously. About the instanton his statement was that if one appeared it would create a universe just like ours. Which was an assumption on his part as he had no evidence to support the claim. That is also the reason it never caught on and received any support other that cavediver that I know of.

If you remember I drove cavediver bananas asking him and others about how a vacuum could exist in non existence.

There would have to be existence for a vacuum to exist in.

nonexistence=the fact or state of not existing or not being real or present

existence=the fact or state of living or having objective reality.

The standard theory requires the universe to have a beginning to exist. Everyone says there is nothing outside of the universe as it is self contained. That would require the universe to begin to exist out of non existence. That is a scientific impossibility.

It has been proven that non-life cannot produce life.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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