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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
Tangle
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Message 97 of 462 (875869)
05-08-2020 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
05-08-2020 2:33 PM


Re: 16 Years Later. Reflections On A Thought Process
The end is not nigh and I can't find anyone that cares enough about what you believe to persecute you. I'm really sorry, I know how much you want it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 102 of 462 (875963)
05-10-2020 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
05-10-2020 2:02 PM


Re: Our Reality and Gods Reality
Phat writes:

So says the late Stephen Hawking. He claimed to imagine a universe where God is unnecessary. It appears that he himself is now unnecessary.

That's beneath even you.

However, his ideas will influence many generations of physicists and change our understanding of the universe forever.

I believe that he and others, brilliant people all, have it wrong.

Oh gosh, who should I side with? I know, someone who has a fucking clue.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 136 of 462 (876292)
05-16-2020 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Phat
05-16-2020 2:52 PM


Re: Remix: Answering jars question
Doom, doom, doom ... we're all doomed. The desperate have shouted it down the centuries.

Sorry Phat you're going to be disapointed like all the other idiots (I can't call them prophets) of doom - millions of them down the ages all needing it really badly. Nobody is going to persecute you, nobody is creating a global religion and nobody is going to save you. Nobody is interested. Sorry.

But you know, enjoy your fantasy.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 173 of 462 (876602)
05-23-2020 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
05-23-2020 4:30 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:

what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.

You've never thought through the implications of that 'not all of us' bit have you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 177 of 462 (876639)
05-24-2020 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Phat
05-24-2020 11:39 AM


Re: JarThink
I'm not particularly interested in what those egits say, I'm interested in what you say. What do you say?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 180 of 462 (876661)
05-25-2020 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Phat
05-25-2020 8:20 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:

I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it.

That's just the usual 'I believe' garbage with added logical absurdity.

How can the billions of people that have never heard of the bible, Jesus and all the rest of the claptrap fight it? There's nothing to fight. How can those that once believed as you did fight it? It's a really dumb thing to say.

You just swallow all the hogwash recycle it and refuse to actually THINK. I dunno maybe you can't.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 182 of 462 (876671)
05-25-2020 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Phat
05-25-2020 11:22 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:

I believe they will be judged based only on what they know.

But that is not what you said, nor has it got anything to do with fighting. Any it's just more 'I believe' bunkum.

What do you mean? Explain what it is that they are to be fighting and what you perceive to be the way that I myself once believed?

They are your words, why not read them?

Phat writes:

I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it.

Apparently those are our only choices. It's total cobblers.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 185 of 462 (876678)
05-25-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
05-25-2020 12:08 PM


Re: JarThink
Stop changing the subject.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 190 of 462 (876689)
05-25-2020 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Phat
05-25-2020 1:51 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:

Very well. This whole line of reasoning originated with your statement

No, it originates with the statement you made that precedes it.

quote:
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.)

I asked you to think about what that means. “Not all of us” I mean really think about it.

Some not others.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 193 of 462 (876697)
05-26-2020 8:15 AM
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05-26-2020 8:00 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:

OK. I am thinking about it. All that it means to me is that not everyone chose Him.

You weren't talking about choice, you were talking about the Holy friggin' Spirit communing with some (including you) but not others.

Phat writes:

what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.

Are you demanding that He let everyone in the front door? Who do you think you are...nevermind God? With that kind of thinking, why are only some let in your front door?

I'm demanding that you think about what you said means. Do you think there is justice in this spirit of yours only talking to some people but not to others?

And please don't give me all that embarrassing guff about needing to 'open my heart to the message'. This spirit of yours seems to talk to anyone he feels like without consent - ask S/Paul of Tarsus.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 208 of 462 (876786)
05-28-2020 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Phat
05-28-2020 10:30 AM


Re: Truth Honesty & Creativity
Phat writes:

but unless and until you yourself develop a hunger for God, you will simply sit on the sidelines watching it all and will remain skeptical and untransformed or delivered

And there you go again. Why does god only talk to some people and not others?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 212 of 462 (876802)
05-28-2020 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Phat
05-28-2020 10:46 AM


Re: Truth Honesty & Creativity
Phat writes:

And my answer would then be no.

He does not speak to me. Or anyone I know. So you're wrong aren't you?

He really does, you know.

He does not. If he/it ever did there'd be no atheists and everyone would be a Christian.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 218 of 462 (876890)
05-30-2020 2:17 AM
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05-29-2020 7:09 PM


Re: Truth Honesty & Creativity
Phat writes:

God speaks to all

Self evidently he does not. I tend to know when people are talking to me.

yet only a few hear His voice.

Certainly few hear a voice. And that includes the majority of those that believe in him. They have a one way conversation.

This is not His fault unless you claim that His goal should have been to save everybody, free will be damned.

He wasn't very particular about free will when he impregnated Mary, blinded Paul, raised Lazarus, fed 5,000 and resurrected himself was he? He's pretty bloody forward when he wants to be.

You think god actually talks to you. If he does, in your terms, he's violated your free will and he's not acting the same with the guy next door. He's discriminating.

I've no idea why you thought it worth posting the rest of your post.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 266 of 462 (877334)
06-13-2020 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
06-13-2020 3:27 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:

If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.

Can you explain why American Christians vote for and still support Trump, the very image of the AntiChrist?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 298 of 462 (877424)
06-16-2020 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by Phat
06-15-2020 10:49 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Phat writes:

I believed and was changed---transformed---and yes....chosen.

It's called a delusion. They common psychological events. When the don't involve religion, we generally recommend medical help.

God doe not simply choose all people.

And you have never been able to explain why this is so, or even understand how, if what you say is true, that it's an incredibly evil idea.

They have to want to check their brains at His door and allow Him to use them as He wishes.

That's just moronic. Why the fuck would anyone sane do that?

You wont understand this now nor will anyone here at EvC but you will find it a plausible option when the world as you know it starts to crumble.

And there's the 'doom, doom, doom' cry that's always threatened but never arrives.

And Im not gleefully speaking death and negativity here. God does not threaten us to join Him or die.

Yet that's exactly what you say he is doing!

God simply is like oxygen. You need Him to live.

Evidentially and very obviously untrue. I'm doing well thanks. Along with billions of others that don't believe in your god and this kind of delusionary drivel.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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