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Phat
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Message 265 of 794 (877331)
06-13-2020 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by jar
06-12-2020 3:39 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
The biggest enemy of all peoples these days is much of Christianity.
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 268 of 794 (877341)
06-13-2020 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by jar
06-13-2020 7:44 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
Much of US Christianity, all of the Apologists and all of the CCoI are tools of the Antichrist.
Lets examine your claim. First, lets define who these three groups that you mention are.
1) Much of U.S. Christianity(Christians, I am assuming). This is supported by scripture. You, ringo, and myself can agree that most Christians just dont get it...or they get it but don't do it. You would go even further than I would, however, and claim that "doing it" can be done by anyone. We three have discussed this before at Message 298 note the replies after my comments. I disagree with your idea that feeding and clothing people is enough...but I can accept the idea that Jesus commands us to do this. I can also accept your belief that some will unknowingly do this because it is the right thing to do. They may not even know God or believe in Him, but they are doing what Jesus commanded. My point still stands, however. If Heaven exists, it won't simply be a giant all-inclusive social club where one could waltz in the door smoking a cigarette. You two are free to challenge my belief.
2) ALL Of The Apologists. Why? Just because you disagree with the message that Accepting Christ and becoming transformed by the renewing of your mind is nothing more than a sales pitch in no way proves that it is. Pastor Isaiah Saldivar preached a good sermon on the state of the church in the U.S. recently and I agreed with it. Likely few if any of you will bother listening to it. Our worldviews are mile apart.
We Are Making God Sick.
I don't agree with your all-inclusive religion...I think it is heading towards a globalist consensus which I feel will be the wrong approach for humanity. You are also free to disagree and challenge my beliefs, and it appears that our positions are dead set against each other.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 272 of 794 (877356)
06-14-2020 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by jar
06-13-2020 1:54 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar, on apologists writes:
And the reason is simple; they market what they create instead of marketing what is actually written.
Stop and think. Some believe that each writer "created" what they wrote. So how is it any different if a modern teacher interprets what they have beeen taught? And just because you claim to report word for word what is written, why should we believe what your interpretation of the book is? Very very few of us believe that God can ever lie. (I suppose He could, but why would He need to?) Yet you emphasize that teaching. So againl, why believe jar of Deep South Texas over our favorite apologist? The fact of the matter is that we dont believe the Bible as YOU market it because we know your beliefs that GOD is unknowable, likely does NOT favor humans over pond scum, is part of the great mystery of learning, inclusiveness, wonder of science, and not in communion with humanity. Jesus is part of mythos, not personal or approachable, not supernatural but simply commanding us humans to feed and clothe each other like good little humanists.
And again, I have no problem with doing what He said (in the book and perhaps in my heart) but I'll be struck dead before I believe that its all about mythos and that we can safely do good works while throwing God away. That is false and deceptive teaching and you will be judged for it some day.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 273 of 794 (877357)
06-14-2020 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by jar
06-13-2020 1:54 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
And still you show that either you have never read what I write or that you are incapable of comprehending what I have actually written.
I have never suggested any all inclusive religion and I doubt very much you even have a clue what consensus even means.
You think i'm that stupid? I likely would dust your ego at any IQ test, old man! (sorry, I repent for my OWN Ego. )
But it annoys me that you think I am clueless as to what consensus means. You even explained it to me once, but I will look up the term just to make sure I DO understand. I wont compromise my beliefs. Yes, they are exclusive. Yes, Jesus is the only way. But Paul even said that he becomes all things for all people. (paraphrased) so I know how to approach people when discussing spirituality, humanism, Christianity, and religion. And thank God I dont believe as you do. Your world view is poison and part of the eventual problem that our planet will have to face. You are urging people to throw away the One thing that will help them And yes, ringo...we all are commanded to do good works, be it by the humanist charge, Jesus as character in a book, or Jesus as living in our hearts and minds. If I throw anything away, it is the deceptiveness of "evidence" that denies Christ. We are designed for Communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen. That does not absolve us of our responsibilities.
Edited by Phat, : spelling

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 275 of 794 (877360)
06-14-2020 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by jar
06-14-2020 7:57 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
OK, I will agree with that. But the fact remains that you frame the argument based on logic assuming that GOD is unknowable and that we humans do not need Him. That is what I'm complaining about. Everyone should read the whole book.
I might suggest they pray that they will know the character behind the book whereas you may tell them that this is unnecessary...as I said before, you teach people that its ok to remain as they are whereas I teach them that they can be better and do better through Holy Communion. Have you ever read the Bible, jar? Perhaps you can agree with me on what Holy Communion is and why it is (or is not) necessary. Perhaps you would approve of throwing that away too.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 277 of 794 (877362)
06-14-2020 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by jar
06-14-2020 8:50 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
I am just waking up. Its 11 AM Sunday and I work in a couple of hours. Thank God I have a job during these challenging times! Online church is available, but I can listen now anytime due to current necessity and technology. Communion is, in part, a gathering of club members honoring our unity with Jesus Christ whom we believe lives eternally as God(or technically at the right hand of God, but I interpret this to be that Jesus IS God's hand...literally the Body of God. According to tradition, we believers are the Body and Jesus is the Head. Yes, it's symbolic but here is where we humans muck it up. You will (and have) argued that God chooses all of us to be His Body (symbolically or actually) doing the works which He commanded. I will go with that for now, for I will not argue that only those who believe will be saved (or accepted into that Body symbolically or actually, though you can see my point that transformation is necessary. The human need not be forced to change but should want to change were they to value the conscience of the Head of said Body...which is Jesus Christ.
I ask you and others to explain how they could know GOD.
Yes, I know. Paul lays it out in Romans. Apologists market the Romans Road to salvation and I can find a link, for those so interested...but you will of course ask me to go deeper. Likely in support of your personal belief, you will frame the argument in terms of what we do versus what we read or believe.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 279 of 794 (877365)
06-14-2020 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by jar
06-14-2020 12:43 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Maybe so, but I don't see Jesus and God as two separate entities. Everyone creates the belief that they "want" or understand based on what they learn. You claim that communion is a rite and is unnecessary when Jesus clearly says in the book to "do this in remembrance of me". You may create the idea in your head that Jesus is mythos and simply a character in the book and that we are charged (by humans of course who created that charge) to feed, clothe, encourage, and shelter the needy.
You and ringo switch back and forth between saying that the source is unnecessary and that humans define the content...to pointing out the source in the book when it suits your argument. So now that I point out what Jesus said to do regarding communion, you will likely refer back to the content of an established club in communion through community projects which don't really require any communion apart from the humans involved. I will say that you are mistaken in throwing away the source and doing the content in and of itself. Again, transformation is necessary.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 292 of 794 (877409)
06-15-2020 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by jar
06-15-2020 3:10 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
jar writes:
All doctrine just like all of the contents of the Bible are the product of human minds. Just as there is no such thing as "The Bible" there is no such thing as "The Biblical Doctrine".
This is another support for your beliefs. I cannot say that you are wrong any more than you should say that I'm wrong. If what you say is true, it eliminates the belief that God speaks through scripture. Let the audience note what jar is revealing.
Here is what jar believes.(correct me if I'm wrong, jar. )
1) GOD if GOD exists is unknowable and evidently wants it to be that way. In jars philosophy, humans are expected to learn from the examples of Jesus life and could just as easily learn from Confucius,Mencius, Gandhi, or Samuel Clemons. Thus Christianity is philosophically inclusive and can be practiced by any and all people. The basic doctrine is that we are charged to do what Jesus,(character in the book) said to do. Had Jesus been only a character in a book, it would not matter. Even if GOD did not exist, the human derived "charge" would still remain.
To be fair, jar thinks that the mainstream Biblical Christians are liars, believe in exclusivity,fantasy, and being chosen, lazy (expecting God to do all the work) and illiterate, since we all know that only a few folk like jar read the Bible "honestly" and use logic, reason, and reality to determine what it says and are taught never to embellish or add to the story. jar believes that GOD may actually exist yet admits that there is no way to test while we are alive. He claims that Biblical Christians create the God that they want and repeatedly tells his audience how pitiful and sad this is. Either jar chose these arguments simply to debate and force his Biblical Christian opponents to defend their world view with scripture or jar believes in a diametrically opposing belief of Christianity than I do.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 293 of 794 (877410)
06-15-2020 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by jar
06-15-2020 7:28 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
I very much doubt that YOU could.
To be fair, neither could you. At best you would spread false doctrine that it was all man-made. You would never accept the source that we believe is true because you are unable to test for it. Granted you ask us how to test for it and point out that nobody can prove it to you. Scripture tells us that signs and wonders follow those who believe, yet you will never honestly take the risk of believing without prior evidence. Thus you checkmated yourself.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 296 of 794 (877417)
06-15-2020 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by ICANT
06-15-2020 7:56 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Pastor. I've quibbled with jar for years. He supports his arguments based on what he perceives to be the most logical and evidence based explanation of what the scriptures say. But I have problems with his world view and consider it more dangerous than he considers ours to be.
jar writes:
And yet you never provide the method, model, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow someone to know.
Its quite evident. Paul lays it out in the basic apologetic taken directly from the book of Romans.
jar writes:
What you believe is totally irrelevant; it is what is actually written that determines what is actuality not what the Apologists claim it really should have said.
And yet you still place God in an unknowable box based soley on the logic and brainwashed critical thinking of Joe Wood and the Socratic teachers from St.Johns. You represent the world view of many of the atheists and humanist skeptics today, but with the added danger that you claim Christianity. Thank God your "club" is in the minority. As for you, Pastoir ICANT, I dont fully support Young Earth Creationism even if the apologists argue that its Bibloical...but I DO support the Virgin Birth, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and the belief that Jesus is very God of God. What puzzles me is why people are either so supportive or so dismissive of this belief.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 297 of 794 (877418)
06-15-2020 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by jar
06-15-2020 6:19 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
This is what you always say. I wont fall into your trap. You ask how I know? I believed and was changed---transformed---and yes....chosen. God doe not simply choose all people. They have to want to check their brains at His door and allow Him to use them as He wishes. You wont understand this now nor will anyone here at EvC but you will find it a plausible option when the world as you know it starts to crumble.
And Im not gleefully speaking death and negativity here. God does not threaten us to join Him or die. God simply is like oxygen. You need Him to live.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 302 of 794 (877433)
06-16-2020 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by jar
06-16-2020 7:49 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
jar writes:
How did you change? What was the evidence of that transformation?
The initial change was of an inner certainty. All of the questions which you endlessly ask--and which I can never answer for you--were answered and resolved in my own mind and heart. At that time, I knew very little about the Bible or comparative religions or the history of religion, but I knew that I was extremely happy and content---for the first time without need of any drugs or any sexual relationships or any alcoholic drinks or anything else that I once relied on in an informal daily basis to calm me and get me through my days. I was not blissfully brainwashed into a cult so much as I was hungry to learn what knowing God even meant.
Granted the church I attended, and as I later found out organized evangelical Christianity in general was far from perfect. I will now admit that it can even be harmful as it is at its basic level exploitative. We used to always have a saying that there is no perfect church but there *is* a perfect God. God became knowable in the sense that if you really sought to know Him and get comfort, wisdom, and support from Him and His people, you truly could and would.
I have always been a bit of a rebel, however. I never fully trusted the church alone for my comfort, edification, and learning. I never would have fallen into belief in YEC, for example. It was just too silly and illogical to me...even though folk could sorta show that it was Biblical. And the questions that keep some of you from being respectful towards God and Christianity were no-brainers to me.
Such as:
Why does God save some and not all? Because not all want it. Perhaps even because not all need it (or think they dont, currently)
Now granted I became hooked on Christian radio and it was only through our discussions at EvC that I was able to wean off of that exclusively biased and jaded view of reality. I took off my rose-colored glasses and saw that yes, many of the top (popularity-wise) preachers and teachers in Christianity were quite obviously earning a comfortable living--which is not at all what Jesus would teach. I stared them in the face and realized that they were not sincere. It took awhile for me to become convinced, and by no means did I paint them all with the same broad brush. I became convinced that the key to being a noble and honest (and effective) Christian was in prayer, honesty, discipline and good works. ringo always accuses me of not doing what Jesus said, but I do...though I could always do more. I'm not quite strong enough nor persuaded to sell all that I have and await acceptance into the Kingdom.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 304 of 794 (877437)
06-16-2020 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by ringo
06-16-2020 10:26 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Sure I do. Why cant he just admit that he isn't a believer since he claims that Jesus was a cultural mythos, that it is irrelevant anyway because Christianity is based only on humans following a message with no need of communion or transformation...yet he hangs on to that stupid club as a badge of honor telling him that he too is a Christian. At least you claim no such title.
I refuse to let his propaganda taint the traditions that we (most of us) have always believed and see reconfirmed every day. He wants to let everyone in the club and redefine the rules of acceptance. You dont get to simply say a slogan and promise to do the message and get accepted without dropping your bad habits at the door.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 308 of 794 (877446)
06-16-2020 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by ringo
06-16-2020 11:18 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Whosoever believes. Not simply whoever.
that the world through him might be saved. Note: One must go through Him.
One cannot simply waltz through the door because they fed the homeless people, all the while carrying in their beer and their cussing, and their own stubborn character traits that keep them in bondage to their flesh. (or their intellect)

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 309 of 794 (877447)
06-16-2020 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by jar
06-16-2020 11:47 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
And neither you or anyone else has every explained how communion or transformation is possible.
And you never chose to accept it. You didn't want it. You were taught that being a Christian was about what you did. And you likely were taught that those who simply accept the easy sell of apologetic s were delusional and lost in fantasy with a god they created.
You must have been taught that transformation itself was something *you* had to do. You clearly were taught that Paul was marketing a new religion.
PC Study Bible writes:
RENEW, RENEWING (VERB AND NOUN)
anakainosis
NT:342, akin to A, No. 1, "a renewal," is used in Rom 12:2, "the renewing (of your mind)," i. e., the adjustment of the moral and spiritual vision and thinking to the mind of God, which is designed to have a transforming effect upon the life; in Titus 3:5, where "the renewing of the Holy Spirit" is not a fresh bestowment of the Spirit, but a revival of His power, developing the Christian life; this passage stresses the continual operation of the indwelling Spirit of God; the Romans passage stresses the willing response on the part of the believer.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
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