Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,821 Year: 3,078/9,624 Month: 923/1,588 Week: 106/223 Day: 4/13 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 347 of 794 (877707)
06-20-2020 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
06-20-2020 3:27 PM


Re: Burden Of Proof 101
Phat writes:
To be honest, its not easy taking the opposing point of view.
Who in this thread first posted "It is important for you to examine your worldview and test it as if you were opposed to it."?
Phat writes:
To me, it would be a sad sobering day if what you guys said were true and that GOD were simply an abstract unproved possibility and that the charge remained defined by humans for humans with no promises of any reward in having fed, clothed, loved, encouraged and supported other humans with no supernatural Father figure ready to hand out rewards to me and my fellow believers for having run the race so well.
To even consider it as true in any way threatens my assurance that I unerringly believe. I will not doubt!!
They are, but why should I even bother putting up this argument. You dont want the God that I market even if He were real. (and of course He is. He is alive) And I need Him.
It frustrates me to no end that you would support a God Who allows people to remain unchanged and allowed to keep their own personality and lifestyle choices. Heaven is not all inclusive. If it were, God and I would have some issues. I would dare scold Him for being so liberal and tolerant. Heck, may as well allow Satan Himself back in!
Start with each of the above.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 346 by Phat, posted 06-20-2020 3:27 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 348 by Phat, posted 06-21-2020 9:23 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 349 of 794 (877738)
06-21-2020 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by Phat
06-21-2020 9:23 AM


Re: Burden Of Proof 101
Phat writes:
I'm finally beginning to understand what you always meant when you told me to throw God away. I will say that this type of introspection can be quite uncomfortable and angst ridden.
Yes, yes it can. Always best to do it as soon as possible.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 348 by Phat, posted 06-21-2020 9:23 AM Phat has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 352 of 794 (877751)
06-21-2020 1:18 PM


From today's service
quote:
Come, let us sing to the Lord; *
let us shout for joy to the Rock of our salvation.
Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving *
and raise a loud shout to him with psalms.
For the Lord is a great God, *
and a great King above all gods.
In his hand are the caverns of the earth, *
and the heights of the hills are his also.
The sea is his, for he made it, *
and his hands have molded the dry land.
Come, let us bow down, and bend the knee, *
and kneel before the Lord our Maker.
For he is our God,
and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand. *
Oh, that today you would hearken to his voice!
Read that carefully Phat and think about what it actually says. It is "The Venite", the "Oh Come". It is a part of what is known as "Morning Prayer", a service to begin each Christian's day.
But it is also in many ways directly opposition to the God that you market.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

Replies to this message:
 Message 354 by Phat, posted 06-21-2020 1:46 PM jar has replied
 Message 361 by Phat, posted 06-22-2020 8:51 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 358 of 794 (877771)
06-21-2020 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Phat
06-21-2020 1:46 PM


Re: From today's service
But did you read it as I suggested?
quote:
Come, let us sing to the Lord; *
let us shout for joy to the Rock of our salvation.
Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving *
and raise a loud shout to him with psalms.
For the Lord is a great God, *
and a great King above all gods.
In his hand are the caverns of the earth, *
and the heights of the hills are his also.
The sea is his, for he made it, *
and his hands have molded the dry land.
Come, let us bow down, and bend the knee, *
and kneel before the Lord our Maker.
For he is our God,
and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand. *
Oh, that today you would hearken to his voice!

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 354 by Phat, posted 06-21-2020 1:46 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 366 by Phat, posted 06-23-2020 11:57 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 362 of 794 (877814)
06-22-2020 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Phat
06-22-2020 8:51 AM


Re: From today's service
Read it again. Slowly. Pay attention to what is actually written.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 361 by Phat, posted 06-22-2020 8:51 AM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 368 of 794 (877929)
06-23-2020 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Phat
06-23-2020 11:57 AM


Re: Using Poppers Ideas In Understanding The Morning Prayer
You are still showing that you are not honestly reading what is written.
Try again.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 366 by Phat, posted 06-23-2020 11:57 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 370 by Phat, posted 06-24-2020 11:55 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 371 of 794 (877991)
06-24-2020 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Phat
06-24-2020 11:55 AM


Re: Using Poppers Ideas In Understanding The Morning Prayer
Try reading it again.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 370 by Phat, posted 06-24-2020 11:55 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 372 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 4:28 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 373 of 794 (878046)
06-25-2020 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
06-25-2020 4:28 AM


Re: Using Poppers Ideas In Understanding The Morning Prayer
No Phat, you have skimmed it selecting only the pieces parts that make you happy.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 372 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 4:28 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 374 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 8:22 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 375 of 794 (878048)
06-25-2020 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 374 by Phat
06-25-2020 8:22 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Finally.
Now the next step is to take what you learned about reading and comprehension and try to apply it to EVERY bit of content EVERYWHERE.
AbE:
Phat, you are always claiming that what I call Christianity is some unique cult limited only to a membership of one; however the Venite is from Psalm 95 (or Psalm 94 if reading from the Vulgate) and is attributed to David although of course actual authorship is unknown. Parts of Psalm 95 are also quote in Hebrews.
These are basics Phat. They are not some new creation but rather foundational to Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:
Edited by jar, : the ---> to

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 374 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 8:22 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 380 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 2:57 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


(1)
Message 377 of 794 (878080)
06-25-2020 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Tangle
06-25-2020 2:22 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
More importantly it makes God, the creator of all, seen and unseen, unspeakably evil.
But as long as Phat is a favorite then it's fine if his God is unspeakably evil to everyone and everything else.
Phat loves his God that condemns everyone else but waits on Phat and friends.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 376 by Tangle, posted 06-25-2020 2:22 PM Tangle has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 378 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 2:50 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 379 of 794 (878082)
06-25-2020 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Phat
06-25-2020 2:50 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?
Is God omniscient?

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 378 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 2:50 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 381 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 2:59 PM jar has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 382 of 794 (878085)
06-25-2020 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Phat
06-25-2020 2:57 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
The people of the book! Yes...I feel that simply calling them "people of the book" implies exclusivity. And I argue that exclusivity is in line with an exclusive God versus an irrational inclusive higher power or "force".
What is written in "the Venite"?
Phat, just a few posts above to even admitted what was written in the Venite.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 380 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 2:57 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 383 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 3:03 PM jar has not replied
 Message 384 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 3:06 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 385 of 794 (878090)
06-25-2020 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by Phat
06-25-2020 3:06 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
We can IF we are honest Phat.
You admit that you believe that God is the creator of all, seen and unseen and that God is omniscient.
Such a God can only be evil.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 384 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 3:06 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 387 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 3:45 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 389 of 794 (878110)
06-25-2020 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Phat
06-25-2020 3:45 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Yes, if there is a hell and God is the creator or all that is, seen and unseen then if the God is omniscient it is evil.
So you can have hell, a God that is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and even if not good, at least not evil as long as it is also not omniscient.
Edited by jar, : get away from the fhrer's censorship.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 387 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 3:45 PM Phat has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 393 of 794 (878133)
06-25-2020 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by Phat
06-25-2020 5:45 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
jar writes:
Yes, if there is a hell and God is the creator or all that is, seen and unseen then if the God is omniscient it is evil.
You've painted God into a corner. You claim that He cannot be all-knowing if at some point in the future humans may end up in hell and He knew about it.
Well, again you are just showing that you cannot or will not read what is written.
Go back and read what I wrote and you quoted and the read how you totally misrepresented what I had posted.
Also it's not I that paint that God into a corner, it is YOU who created the God that created all that is, seen and unseen and is omniscient but also condemns some of his creation to hell.
Your God, your creation, your corner!
NMP!
Phat writes:
jar writes:
So you can have hell, a God that is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and even if not good, at least not evil as long as it is also not omniscient.
Might I ask what attributes you would assign to God in order for Him not to be evil? Whats that you say? Allowing everybody into heaven regardless of their transformation? I figured as much. That inclusive belief is pathetic and a lie from satan.
It's your God Phat, the one you've created and market. Not my problem. It's you that wants to worship and market evil.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill StudiosMy Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 392 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 5:45 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 394 by Phat, posted 06-25-2020 8:35 PM jar has replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024