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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
jar
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Message 395 of 794 (878136)
06-25-2020 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Phat
06-25-2020 8:35 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
You error in logic. God does not condemn some of His creation to hell.
Phat, you simply refuse to listen. It is a willful behavior that has been an obvious trait for almost two decades.
The Evil was in creating.
There is no way around it Phat.
You simply worships a true shit piece of a god.
Edited by jar, : fix quote box

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jar
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Message 399 of 794 (878142)
06-26-2020 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 396 by Phat
06-26-2020 12:26 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
jar writes:
The Evil was in creating.
There is no way around it Phat.
Lets discuss this concept a bit deeper, shall we?
First a yes/no question. Does evil exist? Has it always existed? Where did it originate from?
Another utterly silly question Phat.
Evil is a human creation, an evolved social skill.
It is also totally irrelevant to the discussion and just another attempt by you to avoid dealing with the issue.
There are several parts to the issue.
Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?
Is God omniscient?
Is anyone or anything sent to hell?
If all of those are true then that God is just a piece of shit.
To keep that God from being a piece of shit at least one of those parts must be false.

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jar
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Message 404 of 794 (878153)
06-26-2020 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by Phat
06-26-2020 11:14 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
And once again you simply crawl away and NEVER address the points that were made.
You have NEVER provided argument or reasoning to support what you and the Apologists market.
Phat writes:
We are talking about God here. Not *my* God and not the "God apologists market."
But Phat it is exactly *your* God and "God apologists market" that we are discussing. You even quoted the attributes that you claim exist for *your* God and "God apologists market".
What YOU fail to consider is the reality of what your claim shows.
There are several parts to the issue.
Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?
Is God omniscient?
Is anyone or anything sent to hell?

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jar
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Message 407 of 794 (878159)
06-26-2020 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Phat
06-26-2020 11:55 AM


Re: Freewill, Omniscience, and Determinism
Phat writes:
Perhaps we need to first address what hell is and why hell exists (within our argued construct)
Which is simply another of your attempts to deny reality and play sophomoric moronic word games. What Hell is in Christianity is clearly set out in the Bible.
Phat writes:
We next need to point out that you think that God is a human creation and I think that He existed long before humans were even around
Which is nothing but yet another misrepresentation of what I have posted at best and more likely simply yet another attempt for you to lie.
Phat writes:
So before I address your questions philosophically, consider allowing mine into the public record.
So before you post more utter nonsense how about you answering the three questions?
There are several parts to the issue.
Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?
Is God omniscient?
Is anyone or anything sent to hell?

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jar
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Message 424 of 794 (878607)
07-02-2020 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Phat
07-02-2020 10:17 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
Here's the kicker. You would accept him the way he is. Not the way that Gods perfect and holy standard actually is.
What does the story of the prodigal son say about that?
Have you ever really read the Bible or do you just skim through and pick the pieces parts you like as you did with the Venite?

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jar
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Message 427 of 794 (878628)
07-02-2020 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Phat
07-02-2020 12:07 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
But you cant simply get around the problem of evil as if it is some character trait that humans themselves must deal with.
Why not? Is there any evidence of evil that was and is not simply a human characteristic?
Phat writes:
Evil is an active force that infects humanity.
LOL
I wonder if Radio Shack has Evil Meters in stock so we can measure that force.
Phat, the idea that evil is some outside force is just another cop out getouttahell conjob snake oil bullshit made up to peddle to the rubes.
It's yet another excuse, another "It's NOT MY Fault" , the divilmademeduit item for the Apologists to market.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 437 of 794 (882377)
09-19-2020 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Phat
09-19-2020 12:21 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat writes:
jar writes:
Evil is a human creation, an evolved social skill.
It is also totally irrelevant to the discussion and just another attempt by you to avoid dealing with the issue.
There are several parts to the issue.
Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?
Is God omniscient?
Is anyone or anything sent to hell?
If all of those are true then that God is just a piece of shit.
To keep that God from being a piece of shit at least one of those parts must be false.
The one that is false is the first one. God did not directly create evil. He created the possibility of evil.
That is NOT what the Bibles says and as is so often the case from you and the Apologists, simply perverts everything in the Bible, about Christianity and Jesus message.
It also once again shows that you are unwilling or incapable of even reading.
Phat writes:
You can't mock me for trying to apologetically claim that God never created it and yet then go and say that it evolved.
But I never said God created evil; I say that good and evil are simply human creations, an ability we acquires as the gift from the Garden of Eden myth to assign judgements of right and wrong.
Phat writes:
And the whole idea of marketing an unknowable God until after death(ours, not His) is the Christianity you market even when you claim to market nothing.
Again, you once again simply lie.
What I claim is the message of Jesus, the duty of every Christian to follow, is the feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, protect the week, teach the children, shelter the homeless.
What I claim is the message of Jesus, the duty of every Christian to follow, is to fight the good fight.
What I claim is the message of Jesus, the duty of every Christian to follow, is to run the race.
Phat writes:
We have them. They are known as polygraphs.
No Phat, I will point out that once again, you simply use words without learning what they even mean. A Polygraph tells us nothing about good or evil.
Phat, do you EVER actually think about the stuff you post?
Phat writes:
Your irrational vilification of the Christian apologists surely had to come from the soul of Joe Wood. He is the one who also discouraged you from accepting Jesus.
And so you post three more absolute baseless lies.
What is irrational about pointing out that the Apologists simply make shit up?
What evidence do you have that my position might come from Joe Wood and not from the fact that I accept the fact that the Apologists write what they write?
What evidence do you have that The Reverend Father Joe Wood discouraged me from accepting Jesus?
What evidence do you even have that it is not the perversion of Jesus by you and the Apologists that I reject rather than Jesus?

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 441 of 794 (882388)
09-20-2020 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 440 by Phat
09-20-2020 9:31 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
jar, earlier writes:
What is irrational about pointing out that the Apologists simply make shit up?
Phat writes:
Because it makes no rational sense to me how you can so easily not only disagree but oppose such a large group of people. I am in no way convinced that they make everything that they believe and preach up, though I will grant that there is much.
So again, you present no evidence or reasoned argument other then " it makes no rational sense to me". Reality really does care whether or not it makes sense to anyone Phat.
What evidence do you have that my position might come from Joe Wood and not from the fact that I accept the fact that the Apologists write what they write?
Phat writes:
Joe Wood just started you thinking. That school in general led you on a different path than the apologetic one. You believe that all religions are man-made. This effectively shuts out the possibility of Communion with GOD, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Perhaps you have even thrown them away after reading about other religions, becoming a critically thinking relativist in the process.
Nonsense Phat. My parents taught me to think long before Joe Woods. But yet again, you once again provide no evidence or reasoned argument to support your position.
Pitiful.
What evidence do you have that The Reverend Father Joe Wood discouraged me from accepting Jesus?
Phat writes:
Granted I read the words of your confirmation. I cant accuse you of being dishonest, though I think that your strict quest for evidence based thinking took away your ability to believe (and thus receiving Jesus Christ). You may argue that Holy Communion achieves that ritual, but I would argue that its more than a ritual.
No Phat, I would NOT make such a stupid argument. And yet again, you once again provide no evidence or reasoned argument to support your position.
Can you see a pattern Phat?
What evidence do you even have that it is not the perversion of Jesus by you and the Apologists that I reject rather than Jesus?
Phat writes:
All that I have is my own personal experience and the information that I have retained and choose to retain. I also see that you make it a mission to never leave my positions unchallenged. Why not try a little experiment? In this next post, argue my position and I will argue yours. Lets see if I really understand your position and whether you really understand mine.
I see no reason for me to take a stupid position Phat. And yet again, you once again provide no evidence or reasoned argument to support your position but fall back on the information that you have retained and choose to retain.
The pattern continues.
Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed jars messed up quote attributes

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 444 of 794 (882393)
09-20-2020 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by Phat
09-20-2020 1:36 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
And so once again you present no evidence to support your assertions or even any reasoned arguments.
Try again Phat.
mene mene tekel upharsin.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 446 of 794 (882405)
09-21-2020 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by ringo
09-21-2020 12:22 PM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
And presents the evidence and reasoned arguments to explain why Phat's response is ridiculous.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 458 of 794 (882580)
09-29-2020 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by AZPaul3
09-29-2020 12:13 PM


Re: Ringos Only Standard. The BIG E
Or any evidence what is marketed as a "miracle" actually is miraculous.

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jar
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Message 501 of 794 (887689)
08-20-2021 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by Phat
08-20-2021 10:42 AM


Re: jar and Phat and the God They Each Market
Phat, you can masturbate as much as you like but as always you simply refuse to even address what others write.
You are simply without probity.
The God you worship is evil because he does evil.
If a god has foreknowledge and creates some who will be damned then that god is vile, evil, despicable and utterly without worth or merit.
You simply try to excuse the excrement you call God.

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jar
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Message 510 of 794 (887701)
08-20-2021 5:04 PM


Phat:
Yes/No only answers will be accepted.
Is God the creator of all that is seen and unseen?
Does God have foreknowledge?
Is anyone sent to hell?

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 515 of 794 (887817)
08-22-2021 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by Phat
08-22-2021 4:00 PM


Re: Gods responsibility for everything and the judgement of such
And so yet again you run away and refused to answer the questions raised in Message 510.
As expected!

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jar
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Message 522 of 794 (887843)
08-23-2021 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 516 by Phat
08-23-2021 2:28 AM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Phat writes:
I cant accept that God is evil simply for knowing an outcome, but I will go with the idea that God has chosen to have llimits regarding absolute foreknowledge. (with humans, at any rate)
Once again you simply demonstrate that you refuse to even understand what others are saying.
The issue is not whether or not God has foreknowledge but rather with what a God that does have foreknowledge does; about Gods behavior.
And throwing in the idea "that God has chosen to have limits regarding absolute foreknowledge. (with humans, at any rate) simply makes that God willfully negligent".
So, as expected you once again close your mind, leave it at the door, stick your fingers in your ears and chant Nah Nah Nah.
AbE:
The issue Phat is a God that has foreknowledge or refuses to use foreknowledge capabilities that then creates a human that will end up damned.
In either case, that God is simply evil.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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