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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
Phat
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Message 181 of 794 (876670)
05-25-2020 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Tangle
05-25-2020 9:59 AM


Re: JarThink
How can the billions of people that have never heard of the bible, Jesus and all the rest of the claptrap fight it?
I believe they will be judged based only on what they know.
There's nothing to fight.
There are plenty of things to fight in this lifetime and God is not one of them.
How can those that once believed as you did fight it?
What do you mean? Explain what it is that they are to be fighting and what you perceive to be the way that I myself once believed?
It's a really dumb thing to say.
You asked me what I thought but don't accuse me of being dumb. I will dust your ass at chess any day of the week, and I have experienced things that you have never seen (or even thought you saw) so don't give me the attitude that you and some others are any better than me. You don't like it when Christians do that to you now do you?
You just swallow all the hogwash recycle it and refuse to actually THINK.
I do plenty of thinking. I don't simply recycle canned answers, but I don't dismiss the concept of God as casually as you do either. I dunno maybe you can't.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Tangle
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Message 182 of 794 (876671)
05-25-2020 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Phat
05-25-2020 11:22 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
I believe they will be judged based only on what they know.
But that is not what you said, nor has it got anything to do with fighting. Any it's just more 'I believe' bunkum.
What do you mean? Explain what it is that they are to be fighting and what you perceive to be the way that I myself once believed?
They are your words, why not read them?
Phat writes:
I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it.
Apparently those are our only choices. It's total cobblers.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Phat
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Message 183 of 794 (876672)
05-25-2020 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Tangle
05-25-2020 11:43 AM


Re: JarThink
Tangle, Quarantined Fisherman writes:
They are your words, why not read them?
For the record, I read a lot more words than just the Bible.
Tangle writes:
Apparently those are our only choices. It's total cobblers.
I love it when you talk British!
So ask me about what I think of the whole concept of the End Times.
Even the secular humanists believe that global warming may yet do us in.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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ringo
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Message 184 of 794 (876675)
05-25-2020 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Phat
05-25-2020 8:20 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
... the book itself contains the eternal truth which is beyond time. This truth is Jesus Christ.
That's just a bumper sticker. What does it actually MEAN for somebody to "be" the truth?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Tangle
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Message 185 of 794 (876678)
05-25-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
05-25-2020 12:08 PM


Re: JarThink
Stop changing the subject.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Phat
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Message 186 of 794 (876680)
05-25-2020 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by ringo
05-25-2020 12:25 PM


Re: JarThink
ringo writes:
What does it actually MEAN for somebody to "be" the truth?
Good question. What jumped out at me right away was the idea of walking the walk rather than simply defining the talk.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 187 of 794 (876681)
05-25-2020 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Tangle
05-25-2020 1:22 PM


Re: JarThink
Tangle writes:
Stop changing the subject.
Very well. This whole line of reasoning originated with your statement:
Tangle writes:
You've never thought through the implications of that 'not all of us' bit have you?
Phat writes:
I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it.
Tangle writes:
Apparently those are our only choices.
What other choices can one have? I suppose one could ignore it. You may claim that I successfully ignore every "god" except the one I happen to choose...which is correct. In a sense, however, I am agreeing with it. So again, what other choice is there besides acceptance or rejection (by conscious choice)
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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ringo
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Message 188 of 794 (876683)
05-25-2020 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Phat
05-25-2020 1:43 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
What jumped out at me right away was the idea of walking the walk rather than simply defining the talk.
A lot of people do that. It has nothing to do with "being" the truth.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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PaulK
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Message 189 of 794 (876687)
05-25-2020 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Phat
05-24-2020 11:39 AM


Re: JarThink
OK Phat, a question for you.
In the Genesis 1 Creation story, are the stars among the first things created - as is claimed in the second video - or not?
And if the answer is not how can you trust this guy?
(Hint, it’s in verses 14-15 on the third day)

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Tangle
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Message 190 of 794 (876689)
05-25-2020 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Phat
05-25-2020 1:51 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
Very well. This whole line of reasoning originated with your statement
No, it originates with the statement you made that precedes it.
quote:
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.)
I asked you to think about what that means. Not all of us I mean really think about it.
Some not others.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Phat
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Message 191 of 794 (876695)
05-26-2020 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Tangle
05-25-2020 4:49 PM


Re: JarThink
I asked you to think about what that means. Not all of us I mean really think about it.
Some not others.
OK. I am thinking about it. All that it means to me is that not everyone chose Him.
Are you demanding that He let everyone in the front door? Who do you think you are...nevermind God? With that kind of thinking, why are only some let in your front door?

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 192 of 794 (876696)
05-26-2020 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
05-26-2020 8:00 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
With that kind of thinking, why are only some let in your front door?
Would your parents let you in their door?
Think Phat, think.

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Tangle
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Message 193 of 794 (876697)
05-26-2020 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
05-26-2020 8:00 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
OK. I am thinking about it. All that it means to me is that not everyone chose Him.
You weren't talking about choice, you were talking about the Holy friggin' Spirit communing with some (including you) but not others.
Phat writes:
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.
Are you demanding that He let everyone in the front door? Who do you think you are...nevermind God? With that kind of thinking, why are only some let in your front door?
I'm demanding that you think about what you said means. Do you think there is justice in this spirit of yours only talking to some people but not to others?
And please don't give me all that embarrassing guff about needing to 'open my heart to the message'. This spirit of yours seems to talk to anyone he feels like without consent - ask S/Paul of Tarsus.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Phat
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Message 194 of 794 (876698)
05-26-2020 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by jar
05-26-2020 8:02 AM


Gatekeepers
jar writes:
Would your parents let you in their door?
Yes. But they may not let you or Tangle in. Is that wrong? Can I come live with you?
Add: And as I think about this topic, I ask myself whom I would leet in my front door. How would I make the judgment call? What criteria would I use to screen them? And why do we seem to think that God should be held to our standard rather than His? Would you demand that your Dad let you in the door if he hesitated? It sounds like a family fight waiting to happen if you ask me.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 195 of 794 (876699)
05-26-2020 8:44 AM
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05-26-2020 8:29 AM


Re: Gatekeepers
Think Phat, really try it. You might even like it.
Would a loving father let his child in the house?

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