When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?

Phat writes: This whole live and let live kum-ba-yah thing where everyone has a right to be different clashes with End Times Charismatic Christian Exclusivity.

Which should give you a clue that it's total shite shouldn't it? Totally against everything you believe Jesus to be.

That exclusivity condemns ever human that lived before the mythical resurrection to hell and the billions of others since that, by an accident of birth, have been taught to believe something else - or nothing. It's hideously evil. Fanatically evil; how can you reconcile that policy with god the loving father? How?

More importantly it makes God, the creator of all, seen and unseen, unspeakably evil.

But as long as Phat is a favorite then it's fine if his God is unspeakably evil to everyone and everything else.

Phat loves his God that condemns everyone else but waits on Phat and friends.

Nonsense. God does not condemn anyone. They condemn themselves by choosing the wrong spirit to follow. If you limit the description of God to the logos of the book, you limit your understanding. If you allow Rhema to describe and explain Him to your own satisfaction (or even to challenge you) you are closer to the truth. I realize that you employ logic, reason, and reality over blatant emotionalism and this is wise, but you also dont seem to understand that people DO get touched by the Holy Spirit. Maybe you were always too busy questioning to trust that koolaid (or Orange Nehi) and you said it yourself once: We are the product of our experiences. The God I market does not favor me, but He also does not simply let people keep their bad habits and accept them anyway. Some stuff has to go. Some people think that inclusivity is more honorable for God than exclusivity but ask yourself if you would let just anyone in your house who needed a place to stay?

Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?

Is God omniscient?

The people of the book! Yes...I feel that simply calling them "people of the book" implies exclusivity. And I argue that exclusivity is in line with an exclusive God versus an irrational inclusive higher power or "force".

Is God the creator of all that is, seen and unseen?

Yes, we believe so. Despite tangles claims, I believe that God existed before trees and hence before the book was even written.

Is God omniscient?

All knowing? That gets a bit deeper and more philosophical but yes...I believe that God knows the thoughts and intentions of every human heart. Some would argue that He only knows what we have decided to believe and do up to the present moment and that the future is yet to be determined...at least on our end. As to what He knows regarding the future, that is His business. We cant call Him evil if we dont know that He foreknows who gets damned or not now can we?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Phat writes: The people of the book! Yes...I feel that simply calling them "people of the book" implies exclusivity. And I argue that exclusivity is in line with an exclusive God versus an irrational inclusive higher power or "force".

What is written in "the Venite"?

Phat, just a few posts above to even admitted what was written in the Venite.

Not sure where you are going here....

But I will add fuel to this debate by declaring that I believe that God never directly created evil. He created freewilled Angels, one of whom chose to embrace the opportunity. We cant charge God for being evil simply for allowing the possibility of evil to exist IF that angelic being had a free choice to reject it and become exclusive(under His authority) versus inclusive (free to accept both good and evil and live with the decision. But of course if one believes that God is not good but is simply complete, one might fall under this teaching.

We can IF we are honest Phat.

You admit that you believe that God is the creator of all, seen and unseen and that God is omniscient.

Such a God can only be evil.

Phat writes: Nonsense. God does not condemn anyone. They condemn themselves by choosing the wrong spirit to follow.

How could anyone choose the Christian god before Christianity was invented? How can anybody not born in a Christian country to Christian parents choose Christianity? Explain.

OK, so what modifiers will we have to use to make our God character (Who actually exists as GOD) not so evil? Are you telling me that He cannot know what *we* actually will do until; we actually do it? My argument is that He chooses to limit His knowledge to be in lockstep with our human development over time, for the lifespan of each one of us uniquely. Comments?

Phat writes: My argument is that He chooses to limit His knowledge to be in lockstep with our human development over time, for the lifespan of each one of us uniquely. Comments?

Comment: Your theology just gets stupider and stupider.

Yes, if there is a hell and God is the creator or all that is, seen and unseen then if the God is omniscient it is evil.

So you can have hell, a God that is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and even if not good, at least not evil as long as it is also not omniscient.

Edited by jar, : get away from the führer's censorship.

Thats rather rude. I could just as easily say that you dont understand reality but why throw gasoline around at the library?

And you both have yet to present an alternative description of a God who would not be evil. I know ringo will just say to throw it all away, follow the message, and be a good socialist, but then again he does not see the evidence that humanity needs God. Yet.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.