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Message 646 of 668 (888071)
09-01-2021 7:07 PM
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Do you want to hear a modern lie?
  • Inflation Is Transitory.

  • Some amount of inflation is unavoidable.

    Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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    Message 647 of 668 (888072)
    09-01-2021 7:16 PM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking

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    Message 648 of 668 (888074)
    09-01-2021 8:33 PM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    More problematic is Phat probably chose these sources because they reflect his set world view already. In order to find these guys he must have listened to many others as well. They just weren't telling him what he wanted to hear.

    Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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    Message 649 of 668 (888076)
    09-02-2021 12:45 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    quote:
    Some amount of inflation is unavoidable.

    That’s not entirely true - deflation is possible, at least in the short term.

    What is true is that economists think that a small amount of inflation is desirable


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    Message 650 of 668 (888078)
    09-02-2021 1:16 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    That’s not entirely true - deflation is possible, at least in the short term.

    Agreed.

    I was oversimplifying. A perfectly stable currency is impossible, because there will be fluctuations elsewhere in the economy. And economists generally prefer a small amount of inflation to a small amount of deflation.


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    Message 651 of 668 (888079)
    09-02-2021 1:34 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    I studied a bunch of macro economics and what I remember was economists, the ones I remember anyway, love a steady low inflation and know it's dream. It's a goal across, some would say much too granular, periods of time.

    But, down periods, modest and fleeting, some would even ask for often, are vital to reshaping, pruning, economies over time.

    Or so the doctrine goes.

    I have to wonder if these are still seen as valid in a global economic oligarchy.

    Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


    Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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    Message 652 of 668 (888081)
    09-02-2021 7:16 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    How do you know that all whom I listen to are conmen? Is it the fact that most of them sell investments? Is it simply because what they say is so out of line with mainstream economic wisdom? Is it because I also (as you claim) fall for the Christian apologists...who coincidently are also *all* seen to be conmen?

    And how do you know that what you are taught by mainstream economic wisdom is in fact accurate or wise? After all, if the US Dollar was "shaky" or unstable do you honestly think the Federal Reserve (or any other official source) would let the public in on it only to trigger a panic?

    I will admit that as AZ says, most of whom I listen to corroborate my gut feelings. I will tell you this much. I smell a rat in global finance.

    And I will also say that since I value your educated and informed opinions more than I would some source in mainstream media be they financial or prophetic, I listen to what you say to a degree.

    This all could be triggered by my metabolic health and mood swings. It could be psychological. I may be mentally unstable and off-base. (I doubt it, but how would I really know?)

    And dwise1, I saw and browsed that book from that skeptic and onetime fundamentalist who asked the ten questions regarding Jesus. (Of course) I totally disagreed with his premise. I honestly think we are in a spiritual war of sorts. My mission now is to lower my blood sugar and re-evaluate my mental conclusions once my blood sugars settle at a stable lower level. I need to rule out that I am being affected by my own mental stability.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 653 of 668 (888082)
    09-02-2021 7:30 AM
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    09-02-2021 1:34 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    AZPaul3 writes:

    More problematic is Phat probably chose these sources because they reflect his set worldview already. In order to find these guys, he must have listened to many others as well. They just weren't telling him what he wanted to hear. (...)But, down periods, modest and fleeting, some would even ask for often, are vital to reshaping, pruning, economies over time.
    Or so the doctrine goes.
    I have to wonder if these are still seen as valid in a global economic oligarchy.

    I honestly think that there is a war of sorts going on in global finance between the US Dollar crowd (the United States and other reserve currencies linked strongly to the dollar) and the rising influence of China (which owns 3 times the gold they are attributed to have) and who may want to replace the US Dollar in the global driver's seat. And is it any coincidence that COVID happened shortly after Trump initiated a Trade War against China?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 654 of 668 (888083)
    09-02-2021 7:57 AM
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    09-01-2021 4:03 PM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    ringo writes:

    It has nothing to do what I want. It's what Jesus wants.

    Why on earth would I listen to jar or you regarding anything Jesus wants when both of you believe that the stories are simply tales told round a campfire? You try and hold me to the book 100%. I will *never* limit myself to a static word-for-word interpretation.

    I may well ignore what He says and I note this and pray about what I should do. I like John Pipers interpretation that he voiced to a student calling him about the same basic question.

    John Piper writes:

    Well, Jesus was never ashamed to tell his disciples, or potential disciples, to liquidate their assets and give away all their cash first. This gives rise to today’s question, from a college student named Noah.

    (Noah) “Hello, Pastor John and Tony! I’m a Christian Hedonist at Stanford University, finishing my third year of undergrad. I just finished reading the chapter on money in Desiring God and I’m faced with a question: Why should I not give all (or a significant portion) of what I earn to the Lord?

    “Most teaching I’ve heard on money and tithing has pretty much said, ‘Give! And give generously!’ I want to give as generously as possible and invest eternally. But at what point does my giving to the Lord become irresponsible? Right now, I don’t earn very much. But I also don’t need much. Of the $10,000 I earn, I only spend about $2,000. After giving over 20 percent to God and investing the rest, I still can’t help but feeling like my reward would be greater in heaven if I gave more, which I’d happily do.

    “The problem is, I think I would feel the same way after giving 30 percent or 50 percent or 80 percent to God, too. But is that a problem? Wasn’t the widow commended for giving everything? Aren’t we told not to worry about what we will eat or drink or wear? Jesus said, ‘Sell your possessions and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old’ (Luke 12:33). And you said in Desiring God, ‘Jesus is not against investment. He is against bad investment — namely, setting your heart on the comforts and securities that money can afford in this world. Money is to be invested for eternal yields in heaven’ (193). So if God has given me a generous heart and blessed me beyond my necessities, why should I not give everything?”

    (John Piper)Well, I’m not going to tell Noah not to give away everything. I don’t know what God may be calling him to do. Jesus certainly called on the rich young ruler to give away everything. Jesus said to the rich young man, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me” (Luke 18:22).

    As Noah observed, Jesus commended the widow:

    And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.” (Mark 12:41–44)

    I don’t know what measure of sacrifice financially Jesus may call Noah or anyone to undergo. I don’t know. I’m not assuming he shouldn’t give away everything, but here’s what I will do. I will say that I cannot biblically tell Noah that this is his duty. I can’t say this is his biblical obligation from the Lord or that it is the biblical obligation or duty of Christians, in general, to give away all that they have. There are reasons, and I’ll just list seven.

    First, Jesus and the apostles never made giving away all our possessions a duty for all followers of Christ. The command to the rich young ruler was not a command to all.

    Second, Zacchaeus was commended for giving away half of his riches to the poor: “‘Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor. And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham’” (Luke 19:8–9). In other words, he saw in that kind of generosity — namely, 50 percent plus — that salvation has come. He’s showing he’s really saved.

    Third, Barnabas was admired as a son of encouragement in the early church. When the believers were selling their lands and houses to gather money for the poor, it says, “Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet” (Acts 4:36–37). So he gave one field — no doubt a very significant gift, but not everything.

    Fourth, when Paul was taking up a collection for the poor in Jerusalem among the churches, he said to the Corinthians, “Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come” (1 Corinthians 16:1–2). The idea seems to be this: to the proportion that you prosper, put more aside — not everything, just more for those who earn more, less for those who earn less. Put something aside.
    Work, Have, Give

    Fifth, Paul says, “Aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one” (1 Thessalonians 4:11–12). It seems that in the ordinary life of the church, day in and day out in the world, we should at least seek to have a stream of income that keeps us from lazy mooching. That’s what he says: “so that you will be dependent on no one, work.” That means you need to have enough to pay your bills. You don’t give everything away. You invest and create a life that keeps you from being dependent on others.

    “The normal pattern is to make a living, pay your own way, and turn your whole life into a ministry.”

    Sixth, Paul said, “Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need” (Ephesians 4:28). There are three options here: (1) you can steal, (2) you can work to have, (3) or you can work to have to give. The assumption is that as the money passes through our hands into productive uses — whether for the poor, or invested in some way to help society — we are not dependent on others. Enough of our income is supporting us so that we can give and give and give as well as not be moochers off of others.

    By the way, that does not mean it’s a sin for churches to support missionaries. That’s another whole Ask Pastor John. We can look at how Paul, in fact, took money from churches in order to make it free for others. That’s a parenthesis, and I’ll just stop there.

    Seventh, Paul speaks of his own pattern of partially foregoing the right of support:

    With toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now, such persons, we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. (2 Thessalonians 3:8–12)

    The normal pattern in the early church — and in Christianity — for day-to-day life is to make a living, pay your own way, and turn your whole life into a ministry.

    Now, lots of other passages could be brought in to show that owning nothing and giving away everything was not, in the New Testament, the way Jesus and the apostles conceived of the ongoing corporate Christian life. I’ll just mention two things in closing that might give Noah some guidance against this background.

    First, don’t think just of percentages for how much you give away. Think of concrete people and concrete needs as you live your life, and see if your heart really loves people. Here’s what I mean.

    “Remember that all of your money is God’s, not just what you give to the Lord.”

    The good Samaritan was commended that he stopped and helped the wounded man on the road. He had some wine to give him. He had a donkey that he would let him ride. He had money for paying for his lodging (Luke 10:30–35). Jesus didn’t question him, saying, “Hey, why do you have a donkey? Why do you have wine? Why do you have money? You’re supposed to give everything away.”

    The point was, Do you love the person in front of you at a cost to yourself? Shift your way of thinking. Do not merely think, “What percentage can I get rid of?” but rather, “The people that I deal with and that I’m aware of — do I love them as I ought with my resources?”

    Here’s the second thing I would say: remember that all of your money is God’s, not just what you give to the Lord. This means that we should think of every expenditure in a kingdom-advancing way, not just what we give away. It is all Christ’s. He owns you. He owns it. Every single thing you spend and what you give is a ministry and should be designed to magnify Christ.

    Noah, I’m with you in the struggle just as much now, at age 73, as I was when I was 23. Let’s pray for each other that we not be taken captive by our possessions.

    Amen, Pastor John.

    Ringo and jar can defend the book as word for word literal, but until they start their day talking with the living Christ, the character in the book means nothing.

    Edited by Phat, : spelling


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    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 655 of 668 (888084)
    09-02-2021 9:25 AM
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    09-02-2021 7:16 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    How do you know that all whom I listen to are conmen?

    I don't know that. But there's that old saying "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck."

    Is it the fact that most of them sell investments?

    No, there can be honest people selling investments.

    It is that actions speak louder than words. Their words say to buy gold, but their actions are to sell gold. They stand to profit if you follow their words. They are not disinterested advisors.

    Is it because I also (as you claim) fall for the Christian apologists...who coincidently are also *all* seen to be conmen?

    I don't think I have ever said that all Christian apologists are conmen. I don't doubt that there are some decent respectable Christians, and some of what they do might count as apologetics. However, the apologists that I most frequently encounter are thoroughly dishonest. They are using bad arguments -- lots of circular reasoning, for example -- and they are deliberately misconstruing events to support their causes.

    I honestly think we are in a spiritual war of sorts.

    What does that even mean?

    Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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    Message 656 of 668 (888085)
    09-02-2021 9:37 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    I honestly think that there is a war of sorts going on in global finance between the US Dollar crowd (the United States and other reserve currencies linked strongly to the dollar) and the rising influence of China (which owns 3 times the gold they are attributed to have) and who may want to replace the US Dollar in the global driver's seat. And is it any coincidence that COVID happened shortly after Trump initiated a Trade War against China?

    It's nonsense.

    Money is a fiction. It is a useful fiction, but still a fiction. It is a proxy for what people value.

    China cannot wave a magic wand and suddenly make their currency supreme. What makes something a reserve currency is the collective wisdom of the wealthiest nations.

    The greatest risk to the US dollar is the USA Republican party. They have become a party of thugs, of terrorists, of traitors, of anti-Christians who pretend to be Christian. By virtue of their attacks on democracy, they are undermining confidence in the USA. And once USA loses credibility as a bastion of democracy, the US dollar will lose its potency.

    You vote for these evil people. You yourself are part of a concerted attack against the US dollar. And all because you are a gullible fool who easily falls prey to conmen.


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    Message 657 of 668 (888086)
    09-02-2021 11:12 AM
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    08-29-2021 11:36 AM


    Re: Daffy Duck
    Phat writes:

    I don't answer it because I honestly feel you are blinded to reality.
    ...
    Well at least your blood sugar is under control. Mine is dropping....9.8% last time I checked as I had a toe amputated Friday.

    You broke the irony meter when you accused someone else of being blind to reality. You can't even manage your diabetes to save your own life, but you think we should take financial and religious advice from you? What is it in your brain that is telling you you are thinking clearly, but because whatever it is it is wrong. Your missing toe is practically screaming how wrong you are at you.

    You must have ignored reality an incredible number of times to reach an A1C% around 11 while your toes ulcerated eventually resulting in an amputation.

    An A1C% of 9.8 is better than 11, sure, BUT IT IS STILL TERRIBLE AND VERY DANGEROUS. You don't have time to gradually drop your A1C%. If the cause is lack of exercise, poor diet and poor insulin management then these can be fixed as of this very moment. There's a great deal of inertia in that A1C%. Once it's elevated it can be kind of self-maintaining. You're going to have to work very hard and be very disciplined.

    If you don't fix this very quickly you're in a group with a very high mortality rate. 50% of diabetics who have a toe amputation die within two years, not because toe amputation is so terrible, but because it's a an indicator of how poor their diabetes management is.

    --Percy


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    Message 658 of 668 (888087)
    09-02-2021 11:49 AM
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    09-01-2021 1:46 PM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    Phat writes:

    Percy writes:

    Why would you believe in anything that has no objective evidence, particularly something that is so inconstant and that has been the target of flim-flam since the beginning of time.

    Because I think and believe for myself and not for what some group of people tell me I should believe in.

    And how's that working out for you? How's your health, wealth and career prospects? Are you widely admired, your advice eagerly sought?

    Every time you give us a personal update we find that things are far worse than you'd previously let on, so I wonder if your life is collapsing around you in a cascade of mounting problems. Are you in debt? Did your metals investment people extend you credit? Did you file your income taxes yet this year? Are your property taxes up to date? Your condo fees? Are you being dunned? Have your wages been garnished? Is your car running? Are you one missing paycheck away from financial disaster? I'm just wondering what is driving this gusher of determined irrationality from you.

    Nobody here is telling you what to believe. It is you who is telling everyone else what to believe. What we often do is describe for you a method for discerning what is likely true about reality, but still unable to anchor ideas in facts you prefer to wallow in fictions and fantasies.

    At least not your group of people. You guys have no problem with abolishing organized religion and letting what you would believe to be a fair and impartial government---be it national or even global---distribute from each according to his ability to each according to their need.

    Why did you write this? No one here is saying anything like this. No one here is advocating Marxism. These are just the rantings of someone whose mounting problems are clouding his thinking.

    --Percy


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    Message 659 of 668 (888088)
    09-02-2021 11:56 AM
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    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    I honestly think we are in a spiritual war of sorts.

    I'm amending my earlier comment on this.

    Yes you (not we but you) are in a spiritual war against yourself. And you are losing badly.


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    Message 660 of 668 (888089)
    09-02-2021 12:02 PM
    Reply to: Message 654 by Phat
    09-02-2021 7:57 AM


    Re: Hypothetically Speaking
    Phat writes:

    Why on earth would I listen to jar or you regarding anything Jesus wants when both of you believe that the stories are simply tales told round a campfire?


    Well, YOU are the one who dismisses what's IN the stories.

    Phat writes:

    You try and hold me to the book 100%.


    I have neither the power nor the inclination to hold you to anything. I just wonder how you could reject the only actual source of Jesus' words that we have.

    Phat writes:

    I will *never* limit myself to a static word-for-word interpretation.


    In other words, you will *always* look for an easy way out.

    And your over-reaction suggests that you feel guilty about it.

    Phat writes:

    Amen, Pastor John.


    I'm not going to read that. Why do you quote what some goober writes about the Bible when you reject the Bible?

    If you're true to form, you don't understand it anyway. If you want it considered, make the points in your own words.

    Phat writes:

    Ringo and jar can defend the book as word for word literal...


    I don't.

    "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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