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Theodoric
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Message 27 of 132 (513205)
06-26-2009 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Peg
06-25-2009 4:39 AM


Even those who dont believe in God/gods, they do believe in something that caused our being, ie evolution
After all this time you would think you would have learned at least something about evolution. Or is it just pure dishonesty in trying to promote your beliefs?
The TOE says nothing and has nothing to do with the origin of life. That is a different subject in entirety. Please, please try understand at least the basics of the theory.

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Message 32 of 132 (513226)
06-26-2009 1:17 PM
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06-26-2009 12:07 PM


Re:
Peg writes:
Even those who dont believe in God/gods, they do believe in something that caused our being, ie evolution
If Peg had a reputation of of not misrepresenting evolution I would not have said anything. Peg is notorious for making illogical and wrong arguments and statements.
Evolution is not about anything that "caused our being". She should know that. You know that. What she said is wrong. In a debate format glaring errors like this should be exposed for the misrepresentations they are. This was not some simple slip by Peg.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 70 of 132 (513434)
06-28-2009 7:08 PM
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06-27-2009 9:03 AM


Sigh of exasperation
Peg,
THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AND SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF LIFE(edited to replace species with life). IT DEALS SOLELY WITH THE ORIGIN AND EVOLUTION OF SPECIES.
Do you get it now? Does it make any sense at all that creation and evolution are not even the same subject?
Would you at least try to understand what evolution is about before you make these ignorant uneducated, uninformed comments?
No. I didn't think you would.
Edited by Theodoric, : See notes above

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Theodoric
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Message 72 of 132 (513439)
06-28-2009 8:14 PM
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06-28-2009 8:10 PM


Re: Sigh of exasperation
Yes I misspoke. Meant to say the origin of life.
I will edit my post

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Theodoric
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Message 75 of 132 (513452)
06-28-2009 9:00 PM
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06-28-2009 8:19 PM


Re: Origin of the species vs. origin of life (pretty damn off-topic)
It is necessary to show the falsehoods others post even if they are not directly on topic. The purpose of bringing this subject up is to show that Peg continues to equate origin of life with evolution and refuses to acknowledge the disingenuousness of using them interchangeably.
In Message 4
quote:
Even those who dont believe in God/gods, they do believe in something that caused our being, ie evolution
  —Peg
I feel it is right and proper to point out specious and intellectually bankrupt arguments.

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Theodoric
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Message 80 of 132 (513508)
06-29-2009 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by slevesque
06-29-2009 6:36 AM


Re:
I think maybe you misunderstand Popper.
Here is some of what he has to say. In context.
Source
quote:
He also noted that theism presented as explaining adaptation "was worse than an open admission of failure, for it created the impression that an ultimate explanation had been reached."He later said
When speaking here of Darwinism, I shall speak always of today's theory - that is Darwin's own theory of natural selection supported by the Mendelian theory of heredity, by the theory of the mutation and recombination of genes in a gene pool, and by the decoded genetic code. This is an immensely impressive and powerful theory. The claim that it completely explains evolution is of course a bold claim, and very far from being established. All scientific theories are conjectures, even those that have successfully passed many severe and varied tests. The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested, and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism.
Oh even better. Read this.
quote:
Popper later changed his mind and recognized that natural selection is testable.
Do you think you can use Popper to support your claims now?
I'd love to see the reference for the Einstein quote.

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Theodoric
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Message 121 of 132 (514058)
07-03-2009 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Peg
07-03-2009 7:08 AM


I would need to see one species produce a completely different species. I would need to see life spring from the ground with not intervention required.
But that wouldn't prove evolution, because neither of these things are evolution.
You have been told time and time again that this is not what the TOE says. Why do you insist on misstating the TOE?

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